What is a Tyree coral?

[mothra]

Rich,

I'm really don't have any comment on that cause I don't have any experience with that. Some, if not most of the corals on RF website do state where they came from, but the whole 'LE' scene (whether Tyree or whoever's) is kind of another group of people, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear accusations going both ways.

[duec22]

I've heard that Steve Tyree and Frank ? are no longer working together...can anyone confirm that?
I personaly have never seen Steve try and pull anything like that. However I have heard so many time on these board "if you can't trace the lineage back to XYZ, then it's not an LE...even though they can't tell the difference.
For example I'm pretty sure that this superman monti is not the original, but really not much difference (that I can tell since I've never seen another under T-5). But I got it for a great price (thanks Tim and Rich), and it's a second or third generation frag, so really if I were to sell frags I wouln't feel bad at chargeing the LE prices.

Sry so much blue, but where I have it tucked in the tank the 11K's don't hit it much.

[Vili_Shark]

Sorry I have not been here for few days.

Al G Blenny, allow me not to comment in details on your funny last post with quotes of my post, I will leave you with the illusion that you know everything.

With over 100 dives a year in the tropics visiting coral and fish exporters and stations, plus visiting wholsellers in Asia , Germany and America, I'm so sorry to admit, you are right Al G, Tyree is the only way to get LE....the others just dont call them that....

Please my friend, let us not continue this argument, cause I feel you really feel you are right, I think in a few years you will gain more knowledge, maybe take a trip out of the US, see more learn more, and then maybe admit that you were wrong.

Ciao...

[gflat65]

Originally posted by duec22
One more reason to start getting paperwork with you corals...like they do with pure bread dogs...lol...you know it comeing...

I'd be glad to head this one up and take one for the team. Just send me all potential LE's and I'll document them for you. Sorry, no returns on the frags .

[Redfish]

Another six pages on why I am glad I live in a democratic republic and why I worry we are headed toward socialism. Freedom of choice and market economy just doesn't seem to be that much of a responsibility to me.

[djmuzzi]

This might get me flammed but, I see some wild corals like his in LFS here in socal. Unfortunately they come from *****-shippers that send 2 hundred other pieces that are drab& Saddly with many dendros & other corals that "joe reefer" cannot care for (no offense if there is a username "joereffer" here). These drab corals tend to be liquidated or die from being in the store / wholesalers for too long.

Long story short, What is the true cost comparison? Someone like Tyree or Jen or whomever that does have a rare colony that is being farmed and sold at a premium, but that will soon be a seed for the essential new aquaculture movement and will soon be creating new captive colonies all over the world?

We are not talking about them buying 1 piece & selling the same piece for a large profit, we are talking about them farming a piece. That is a lot of overhead that they need to recoup. If no one did try to go after this market I doubt we would ever see these colors in the wild again after about 10 years.

I hope soon there will be enough aquacultre infrastructure to support LFS demands & give them a comparable or even better alternative to wild caught

[Al G Blenny]

Originally posted by Redfish
Another six pages on why I am glad I live in a democratic republic and why I worry we are headed toward socialism. Freedom of choice and market economy just doesn't seem to be that much of a responsibility to me.

Representative Republic actually

[RichConley]

Originally posted by djmuzzi


We are not talking about them buying 1 piece & selling the same piece for a large profit, we are talking about them farming a piece. That is a lot of overhead that they need to recoup. If no one did try to go after this market I doubt we would ever see these colors in the wild again after about 10 years.

Since when? They definitely sell pieces at a ridiculous profit.

Tryree came to a recent club meeting as a speaker. He auctioned off a whole bunch of pieces that have multiyear waiting lists. He also sold 10-15 frags each of a couple of corals that have multi-year waiting lists.

I have a hard time believing that the "waiting lists" and "limited harvesting" are anythign more than a gimmick.

[mummra100769]

i myself would be mad to hear that some one was able to secure a frag that i have been waiting years for. that in itself seems a little dirty...to sell rare LE frags before your online waiting list gets a chance?

[Al G Blenny]

Originally posted by RichConley
Since when? They definitely sell pieces at a ridiculous profit.

Tryree came to a recent club meeting as a speaker. He auctioned off a whole bunch of pieces that have multiyear waiting lists. He also sold 10-15 frags each of a couple of corals that have multi-year waiting lists.

I have a hard time believing that the "waiting lists" and "limited harvesting" are anythign more than a gimmick.

I don't think you understood what he was saying. Tyree isn't breaking up a wild colony that he bought for $50 and selling frags for $100. He is growing out frags that he got from other hobbiests. That takes a lot of time, money, and patience. Some of them can't be farmed every month so he has to go to the original farmer and pay or trade for more frags. Some of the frags he sells are not for profit. When he has to buy them just to turn around and sell them at the same price. Trust me. I know he does this sometimes.

Originally posted by mummra100769
i myself would be mad to hear that some one was able to secure a frag that i have been waiting years for. that in itself seems a little dirty...to sell rare LE frags before your online waiting list gets a chance?

When one of his customers cancels a reservation he gives everyone the full oportunity to buy it early. On his site you can see the canceled reservations. If you keep up with it you might get a reservation coral years earlier than you planned. What is he supposed to do if nobody askes for that coral? Plus if you were on his LE list you would know that he Emails his customers sometimes to let them know when he has a bunch of extra LEs to sell. He is only selling overgrowth or cancelations. He isn't hiding it from anyone. Why do you use harsh words like "dirty" when again you don't know what you are talking about. The online waiting list people are the ones that know about this before you. Next time please research before you type. You are just trying to give someone a bad name at this point. I personally think this is in very poor taste. It almost sounds like you are jealous. I guess it's always that way when you are at the top. You get lots of people bashing you for no reason. The term "hater" comes to mind.

[mummra100769]

well i know for a fact that when frank would be coming into town with steve the email i recieved had phrases like "we will have LE frags for sale. you don't have to wait years on a waiting list...you can get them now...order soon." seems pretty clear that LE frags are going up for sale before the poor waiting list people get a chance.

also if you would read my post i said i "would" be mad "if" some one got a frag i had been waiting for. i am sorry i did not make that clear.

as far as being a hater...not really...but you better be up front about your business activities or else you will get caught on these boards. plus my LFS has these items come in all the time and they sell whole colonies for what a frag of LE goes for, so hater? naw i'm good because i like colonies not frags.

i wonder how much that micro in my avatar would go for if it was an LE?lol

[Al G Blenny]

More mis-information. That was Frank sending out the lists of LE frags. Not Tyree. Tyree went on the road trips with Frank but they weren't business partners. Those were corals that Frank was selling. In fact you notice that Frank still does the road trips and sells the same corals but Tyree doesn't go?

I never assumed you "were mad". I read the "I would be" part. What makes you think I didn't understand that?

I'm not sure what you mean about being up front about business activities. I could be way off base but if you are talking about one or both of the business' I own all of the Mods already know. I told them right when I started my last business. Why would you think I am shady like that? Again if I understood that the wrong way I apologize.

I think we went over the whole LFS getting in LEs topic. If you think that then you don't know your corals that well.

Your avatar? I'm glad you are proud of it but there is a reason it isn't an LE. I just gave away two Micro colonies like that at the bay area farmers market. They aren't really rare. Is that your example of LE corals that come in all the time? Why don't you look at the two LE Micros that Tyree sells. Show me a pic of those ones in your tank. I am still waiting on a pic of you LE riddled aquarium. A full tank shot will be nice.

[Al G Blenny]

Another thing that is funny is that you even got the LE list. Frank doesn't just solicite people with his list. You have to ask to be sent the list. If you hate LE corals so much why did you bother?

[NorthernCF]

He sells one a month on line, and sells to clubs and such though out the year.

I am still looking for the conflict of interest here. Perhaps selling to the clubs is is joy and priority. I have not re-scrutinized the site. Is there indeed a place where Tyree says he only sells product through the INTERNET site? Please quote and post if it does, that would be worthy information.

It has been said before: If you live on the coast or one of the great cities, you can not understand the demand for nice looking corals. Everything is Cherry picked, and even raisin picked before it gets out to most of our LFS. We are lucky to find a dried prun...Am I letting this metaphor get out of hand?

[mummra100769]

Originally posted by Al G Blenny
More mis-information. That was Frank sending out the lists of LE frags. Not Tyree. Tyree went on the road trips with Frank but they weren't business partners. Those were corals that Frank was selling. In fact you notice that Frank still does the road trips and sells the same corals but Tyree doesn't go?

I never assumed you "were mad". I read the "I would be" part. What makes you think I didn't understand that?

I'm not sure what you mean about being up front about business activities. I could be way off base but if you are talking about one or both of the business' I own all of the Mods already know. I told them right when I started my last business. Why would you think I am shady like that? Again if I understood that the wrong way I apologize.

I think we went over the whole LFS getting in LEs topic. If you think that then you don't know your corals that well.

Your avatar? I'm glad you are proud of it but there is a reason it isn't an LE. I just gave away two Micro colonies like that at the bay area farmers market. They aren't really rare. Is that your example of LE corals that come in all the time? Why don't you look at the two LE Micros that Tyree sells. Show me a pic of those ones in your tank. I am still waiting on a pic of you LE riddled aquarium. A full tank shot will be nice.

oh man... do i have a treat for you....later.lol

[Al G Blenny]

I can't wait
By the way I hope you havn't been collecting pictures of the FEW rare corals you have seen come through the store you work at and try to pawn them off as what you see everyday at the LFSs. Even the worst store gets nice corals every once in a while. FULL TANK SHOT!

[2x210g]

i always hear about RARE and LE coming in to your lfs, i would also like to see a FULL TANK SHOT of your rare and LE stuff.

[2x210g]

first one is real nice and i might be splitting it with a co-worker.



second one is also very nice as it's a whole colony.



last one is sure to be one of my favorites for a long time to come.



do you think any of those qualify for LE status? i am just kidding please do not answer that question. [/B][/QUOTE]

Did you ever got those 3 nice coral that you were splitting with a co-worker?

[mummra100769]

nope just what is in my tanks...come on man why would i even want to try and scam you? i really think you are taking this personal...it's not personal on my part. this is only the internet and hostility towards people over the phone and cable lines is kinda silly. really i am kinda offened in a way as i have not lead you to believe that i was going to decieve you...i suppose it is human nature to make conclusions like that though. if i did open up the pics from the store you would be impressed. i would never do that on here though.

i did not even know that you owned a hobby related business...really speaking from experience you have to be carefull what you say and do when dealing with people who frequent hobby boards (this applies to just about any hobby business and related forum i am sure of that).

now on to the pics. it seems to me like some one has fed you info but i do assure you that not only did all these corals come from the store i work for but i also do not sell them out of my home tanks (i have proof of this as i get requests all the time to frag my personal stock). matter of fact i go out of my way NOT to use RC as a place to sell corals.

now i am going to give you close ups just as atease and when i have more time on tuesday i will give you a full tank shot. i know this is only going to fuel your doubt but i think in the end you will believe (i am just kidding here as you and i seem to be on different ends of this deal...where you seem to be actually upset i could not be farther from upset and hope you like the pics).

reeffarmers:
( here i am going to put the name of the LE instead of pulling a pic off the reeffarmers site. it does not seem right to use without reeffarmers ok. after the name i will post a pic of my coral).

reeffarmers- AQUASCENE GOLDEN EYE



reeffarmers-BRANCHING ALIEN EYE



reeffarmers-BLUE TIPPED MONTI

(i think mine looks better)

reeffarmers-THE WAR CORAL



now here are some i believe are easily LE worthy.lol









if you are getting rid of micros that look like this man you must have some amazing stuff.



i will offer up some more worthy corals on tuesday.

dude. i am done...i am tired and will post a full tank shot as you requested on tuesday.

all coral pics come from three different tanks. those tanks are as follows and all were located at my home and never available for sale.

37 gal.cube- no longer running but still have most of the corals.
60 gal. prop/QT tank-still running
dual 40 gal.-just starting to add corals to it as it is still very new.

[mummra100769]

Originally posted by 2x210g
first one is real nice and i might be splitting it with a co-worker.



second one is also very nice as it's a whole colony.



last one is sure to be one of my favorites for a long time to come.



do you think any of those qualify for LE status? i am just kidding please do not answer that question.

dude you are such a stalker.lol

i see that peppermint hogs finally came down in price in your area. glad to hear that.

a lot of those are coming in to the lfs lately and they go for under 100 buck

they are still about $70.00 around here

[2x210g]

those corals looks really nice and don't get me wrong. they are not the same one as frag farmer LE. maybe the blue tip monti. but good try

[mummra100769]

Originally posted by 2x210g
those corals looks really nice and don't get me wrong. they are not the same one as frag farmer LE. maybe the blue tip monti. but good try

you are right...mine are probably better. it's late but i will post some pics that look exactly like the reeffarmers pics (they are not my favorite pics as they have to much blue...you know what i am talking about huh?)

[2x210g]

i just wanted to see how those 3 nice acan was doing in your tank if you ever got them. that's it

[mummra100769]

can you still get a great deal on those peppermint hogs? lol

i forgot that i also have a blue lepastea. although i do not know if it's rare or not it sure is pretty.

[2x210g]

yes would you like for me to look around for you one? how's the 3 acan that you THOUGHT was your doing?