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View Poll Results: How do you power your reef? | |||
wind power | 2 | 13.33% | |
solar power | 1 | 6.67% | |
peddle real fast on a stationary bike | 5 | 33.33% | |
buy carbon credits | 7 | 46.67% | |
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Re: Driving techniques..
Think about the oil "crisis" of the 1970's where the U.S. lowered the speed limit by... 5 mph? I believe. They obviously did the calculations and saw this to be worth it.
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thank you. It was a little before my time..
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Keep in mind, natural human migration is cyclical. "Sprawl" is nothing new, it has been happening since humans were dragging there knuckles on the ground. It goes from city center to suburbs to ex-burbs(countryside) then starts all over again.
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The big difference between the beginning of man and now is that we didn't cement over every path we traveled....only the last couple hundred years or so. All of that "open space" is nice, all of that "forest" is nice too and i sure as hell don't want every square inch of space on this planet paved over. We are continuing to sprawl and probably won't stop until its one big city. then all of your crops and the food produced will be real healthy. And I don't get it, people refuse to see the connection between the presence of human beings and the destruction of natural beauty.
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Well said. Also, Virgina - Though I would agree sprawl and human migration is cyclical in some sense, I'm not so sure that it is in the long run. Nor are past trends entirely applicable to today's world. The globalized culture we're in/entering is quite different than anything ever before (IMO, I'm not alone either). This affects migration and related processes all along the line.
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Despite the messes we do make, humans go to extraordinary lengths to preserve natural habitats the Mother Nature herself would destroy.
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Virginia........
Yes nature "destroys" itself, but it creates in its place. We're having the impact of incredibly decreasing the ability of nature to recreate. We don't go to extraordinary lengths in general, and you know it.
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By the way..have you had a chance to see any of the Planet Earth special on the Discovery channel lately? After watching several episodes I am more convinced than ever that human beings have ZERO influence on any of Earths natural cycles.
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nice I sparked a little emotion. I don't mean to make it personal, I'll calm down now.
My point about the migration cycles is really that today's cycles and patterns are influenced by many different (and some of the same) processes than in the past. We have tried to measure and analyze human development yet aren't sure where the system is going.It has never been at this point before and we don't have history to look back on right now (yes it helps, but isn't 100% applicable). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition .. Though I don't love wikipedia, it's a decent overview of what I'm refering to. Specifically the demographic transition model. The reason I said IMO and what I'M not sure of is because I wasn't about to put up sources, though my reasoning is supplemented by papers etc. Virginia, when you were born there were about 3.6 Billion people in the world. Today we're nearing 7 Billion. All of this in your short lifetime. I don't think you can argue that the "cycles" are going to be entirely unaffected and that life will continue exactly as it always has. Nor can you argue that our impact on the earth is going to be identical to how it was in the 1800's, or any other date you want to mention really. Things are different today and are changing at a more rapid pace than every before in human history (you probably won’t like that statement… fair enough). I don’t want to start wildly sourcing left wing ideas for fear of sounding like a “know-it-all-college-hippie”. These are my opinions and are shared by many others.
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You can't be serious! You can't think of any ways that we preserve natural habitats?
I would be aghast if the people of Australia do not put forth a great effort to preserve your barrier reef. I think you should go back to bed and get a little more beauty sleep.
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As shown by the results of your thread "How do you power your reef?", the average human action/effort is not made with the natural environment as a top priority. Yes, obviously some people and some places put a certain amount of effort into conservation efforts. However there are only small pockets of places where conservation is the top priority for humans. Again, I think you know this. It's funny how you managed not to reply to my above post, I would welcome a response. If you're up to it of course.
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What post are you referring to?
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When I have time later I'll respond to the rest of that. However, for now I want to mention the part about...
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Rosseau Yes, obviously some people and some places put a certain amount of effort into conservation efforts. However there are only small pockets of places where conservation is the top priority for humans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your a biology undergrad? I think you should give your parents a refund on all of that tuition money you are wasting! ------------- Think of a place where conservation is #1 priority. Let's say Yellowstone National Park. They are big on conservation (even though tourism is allowed and is potentially an overall negative), I won't deny that. However, Yellowstone is SMALL POCKET within the greater ecosystem it is a part of. Do you think migrating wolves and bears know to stay within the park boundaries? Once they leave the SMALL POCKET they are no longer protected. So, yes there are places where conservation is seen as important yet in the bigger picture this is a very small percentage of the effort/area. Yellowstone is one of many examples of what I am talking about. I'm not saying we should declare North America bear and wolf land and that we should all fck off back to Europe. Rather I'm describing how it is.
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You can trick yourself into thinking in terms of small pockets when you can only think of ONE example. There are thousands upon thousands if not millions of efforts being made from the individual hunter/outdoors-man to national governments. It is still my opinion that it is in fact the U.S. government that does the lions share.
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Or have I missunderstood your statement? And no, I do not need a little beauty sleep. I need lots and lots. |
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Just a note on Solar Power. Sliver Cells are now being tested that are much more efficient than standard solar cells. Currently around 20% more efficient. A great benefit though is that they will be cheaper to produce, around 60% cheaper to make than current solar cells as they use 90% less silicon to make.
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Amusing.
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