Reefkeepers Tackling Global Warming

[MCary]

To be fair Buddha, I know you think you had a valid point, but you are ignorant (using your term) of the education and depth of knowledge of us reefkeepers. Reefkeeping is just a hobby and the people doing it run the gammit from high school students to Ph.D.'s in every field imaginable. Rosseau is studying this field in college, I am a scientist by trade so I understand scientific method, I don't remember what Hippie does, but even though we go round and round, he is anything but ignorant on this topic.

As far as the experts go. This is a very large and complex field. I do not believe any one person studies or understand the entire aspect of it. The problem is broken into smaller sub-specialties. NASA scientists study the atmosphere, others study ice cores, marine specialists study oceans, computer experts run models on super computers. Then hopefully the date is collated into a single coherent result. But I doubt the an expert on ice cores can tell you about the stratosphere as well as the NASA guy. So by your standard this ice core geek is ignorant. The point I'm trying to make is that no one by their research alone is an expert on the entire issue of global warming. They read the research of others. We are just as capable of doing the same thing. We are also capable of understanding what we read.

Mike

[ReefBuddha]

Mike sorry but I really think you misunderstood me completely. I never insinuated that we're ignorant in the 'general' sense, in fact I specifically stated otherwise. I used the term 'relative' repeatedly in my posts to illustrate exactly that - ignorance is relative. Of course the audience here runs the gammit and contains plenty of educated perspectives. That is not the point at all, in fact your second statement i think does deal with the point.

The point is, nobody can be an expert in everything. Of course specialists in every field have trouble understanding outside of their niche. You made a very good point about the fact that there are plenty of subcategories within climate science that are entire fields unto themselves, and likely he specialists within those field have difficulty themselves crossing boundaries.

But then - and this is the part i think supports what I'm trying to say - how much MORE displaced are the members of a reef board, regardless of 'general' eduction level? nobody is saying we cannot read and understand, of course we can, but we also should keep things in perspective.

[RichardS]

The best option is Nuclear and Hippie isn't going to stand for that. Large Hot Wheels for everybody.

Mike

The left won't stand for it because they are not interested in talking about solutions. GW is just another "cause" for them to proclaim how terrible we humans are. If they truly believed that GW was going to destroy the earth as we know it then they would be open to all solutions not just ones that fit into their "green" world view. Especially nuclear energy since it is a far safer energy source than oil.

Now I'm just a dumb texan reefer who voted for the evil one twice and would do it again if I could but it seems to me that this has become a completely pointless thread. The earth is getting warmer, no need to debate it. GHG is responsible, no need to debate that. Are we evil humans the cause? Who cares! We need to reduce our oil dependency anyways. We know it's going to run out some day and why keep funding governments to build up their military arsenals and then have to go to war with them. So the only question becomes HOW do we get away from fossil fuels and still move forward.

If the left would make alternative energy sources part of the war on terror discussion they could probably get something done. You know, let's not fight our enemies when we can just bankrupt them. Soviet what?

[HippieSmell]

GW is a problem because liberals just want to talk down to people? . Give me a break with that tired old whining point.

And the point about alternative energy sources helping ween us off of foreign oil is well publicized, but not everything needs to be tied into the "war on terror". The "war on terror" is being used for justifying too much unrelated stuff as it is.

[DgenR8]

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