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#1
11/10/2007, 09:34 PM
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ich questions
i just spotted a spot on the cheek of both of my clowns one spot looks like raised ummm bubbles if thats the correct analogy to use its just raised and white spot on the other its not just a white spot in the same place the question is how do i treat it i just have two clowns in my 55 gallon aquarium can i treat them in that tank just need some help first time with problems
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#2
11/10/2007, 10:31 PM
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A quarantine tank is the best way to go. If you treat in your display tank, you threaten your bacteria, live rock, and inverts. So if you have a fish only tank, treating in tank is usually fine, but if you have rock or inverts in there, I'd suggest using a QT.
On using a QT: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php For some reading bout Ich... Part 1: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php Part 2: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php |
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11/10/2007, 10:40 PM
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i only have live rock and live sand and snails and hermits
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11/10/2007, 10:50 PM
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You'll need to set up a hospital tank, get a filter going, and then run quarantine if you want to try to treat marine ich. The snails, hermits, and various animals in the live rock and sand won't live through hyposalinity.
That might not be marine ich, though, maybe lymphocystis?
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11/10/2007, 10:53 PM
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a single spot is not a good indicator of ich.. could just be some substrate or other crud..
How long have you had the clowns in the tank and how long since adding anything new? If it is ich, treating them in the tank is not an option with your rock and sand unless you know 2 things.. 1. Any treatment is going to kill many/all inverts in the tank.. 2. Hypo would be the only option as any copper is going to adsorb into the substrate and rock rendering it unusable.. An option COULD be to remove the rock and substrate to some other containers and keep them wet and aerated during the duration of the treatment.. again hypo-salinity is your only option unless you plan on completely dumping the system, scrubbing the tank down and restarting it..
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11/10/2007, 10:54 PM
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and Jonathan types faster than I do
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11/10/2007, 11:21 PM
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well not sure what the hyposalinity is i bought this ich treatment stuff called rid ich plus i dont have anything at all but live rock and live sand and snails and hermits i can buy the hermits and more snails need to anyway the clowns have been in the tank about a month and a half and i have not added anything since them and if it is lymphocytis or whatever how do i kill it and if i have to setup a seperate tank how do i kill what is in the main tank do i have to get rid of the water and everything
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11/10/2007, 11:26 PM
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If it's lymphocystis, just feed well and the animal will get better. It's a virus, so there's no treatment. Rid-Ich shouldn't be dosed into the tank, and it probably doesn't do anything useful, anyway. Copper and hyposalinity are the only proven treatments for marine ich.
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11/10/2007, 11:29 PM
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ok how do i treat with hyposalinity and copper also when i treat for this wont it return because its in my main tank and if so do i get rid of everything and start over
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11/10/2007, 11:30 PM
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Just remove all the fish from the tank and treat them with hyposalinity for 6-8 weeks, if you're sure it's marine ich. The parasites in the tank will starve to death if no more fish are added to it.
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11/10/2007, 11:32 PM
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how do i treat with hyposalinity what do i need to buy and is that 6-8 days
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11/10/2007, 11:33 PM
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is hyposalinity a med or what im confused can you buy it or what
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11/10/2007, 11:49 PM
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hypo is a non medication treatment that requires about 8 weeks total.
The fish are put in water that is at 1.009 salinity *this must be exact for 6 weeks while your main display remains at normal salt level for 8 weeks. The 8 weeks allows the ich parasites to die off as they have no fish host to live off of. You can not short cut this time and expect to be successful most of the time. I take about 8 hours to get my fish down to the 1.009 level and about the same amount of time when bringing them back up to the normal 1.027 I keep my tanks at.
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11/11/2007, 12:14 AM
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what if i dont know what it is would you still do that or what?
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11/11/2007, 12:22 AM
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IMO if the fish are not appearing stressed, let them be, it may not be ich...
If it is ich... the spots are going to disappear, they will then come back in time in greater numbers, then you can act... I would just watch them for now if it was my tank..
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11/11/2007, 01:41 AM
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Quote:
To help get you going... A link to a thread with pics of various afflications: http://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=127010 Ich (looks like grains of salt on the fish)  lymphocystis (similar to cauliflower)  
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11/11/2007, 01:59 AM
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Trying to ID ich is tough for an expert standing in front of your tank looking at your fish...
If the fish is "flashing" or acting stressed in conjunction with the signature "white spots" then you may have a case of ich.. As it is not immediately deadly to the fish, no point is trying to treat the guy unless he is showing signs of being in trouble. Even if it is ich, many fish do build an immunity to the parasite. The real key here is to always quarantine new fish before adding to display. This gives you the chance to catch these problems before they afflict the other fish in the tank...
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11/11/2007, 07:20 AM
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ok since you just showed me that the pic of the lymphocystis thats whats on my one clown but not the other the other is just one white dot
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11/11/2007, 08:43 AM
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So if you have a fish (blue hippo tang) that "might" have ich and you don't have a quarantine tank how can you treat it. I placed the fish in a breeder tank inside my 65 gal tank for now. I am thinking of taking the fist to the LFS to have them quarantine the fish for me. I have had this tang for about three weeks and Friday night the fish began to look sick.
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#21
11/11/2007, 09:41 AM
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If the "spot" stays on the fish in the same location for more than a week - its not ich.
Lympho starts out very small and grows - the picture of lympho provided by ledford shows lympho is its more advance stage. A picture of the fish would help. |
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11/11/2007, 11:28 AM
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i would post a pic but cant take one till i get a new camera the pic of the white cotton patch is what i have on my clown but its near the gills on one side
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#24
11/11/2007, 11:30 AM
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and i just checked my fish again and its just on one fish so the spot on the other must have been sand or something
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11/11/2007, 12:01 PM
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remember ich falls off the fish after about 3 days and reappears down the road in greater numbers... if this happens, you will need to address the issue at that point.
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