Picasso / Rodonyx FIRST BATCH

[mwp]

LOL, I think they look better than mine (going 4 days with once per day feedings over the holidays I think took a toll)

Matt

[EMBRYOGUY]

oh matt, i thought yours reached meta already.

well im working with one pair, you are breeding everything moving in your place!

[EMBRYOGUY]

odd,

my clowns laid there there batch last night. two days before the last. i thought they were suppose to be predictable?

[mwp]

Originally posted by embryoguy
oh matt, i thought yours reached meta already.

They are through meta and have been for a week...but the "quality" of my babies just doesn't look as good (in my opinion) as yours do...I think they got starved while we were gone despite the heavy daily feedings of BBS.

Matt

[Kmiec123]

Mine ussually get laid 4 days after hatch. hope this helps...Carl

[EMBRYOGUY]

batch 1: sun, hatch @ 10 days
batch 2: sat., hatch @ 9 days
batch 3: thurs. hatch @ ?

matt quality? how can you tell the diff? are yours smaller? they have headbands right? i actually saw them eat some oto today so its a good start. but they still prefer there bbs. its a pain hatching the brine,but i have no choice it seems. they have been on bbs for about 8 days now.


kimec, thanks. batch 3 is four days after hatch also. i just hope they settle down and establish a routine.

[Kmiec123]

Sounds good..great work.keep it up.

[EMBRYOGUY]

kmiec, thanks but i dont feel like im doing a good job. i m struggling figuring out this massive loss.

[Kmiec123]

Keep your chin up. Your doing great for the first couple. I had total losses on my first three hatches, not that my history is work judging anything off of. Plan on learning something new with every hatch...I have and can't speak with experience with more than 10 spawns, but I have learned with every only. Stick with it and best of luck...Carl

[EMBRYOGUY]

tks

batch 3, day 9, very odd. only half the nest hatched! so i only recovered about 200. i was expecting the entire group. not sure why. looks like another night tomm.

is this normal? the unhatched ones seemed to still have black eyes.

[mwp]

I had that problem with my earlier batches until I raised my rearing temp...83-85F and they're popping at day 7, although I THINK some of what disappeared between day 6 and 7 (over 100) may have hatched out in the very late night / early morning of day 6...at least it's an alternate theory to predation.

No silver on the eyes? I bet they have it tomorrow....

Matt

[Kmiec123]

I too have had many two day hatches. It's a pain. My last hatch was at 82f the whole 8 days and hatched well. What's your temp at? I suggest lowering the turbulence from the air stone to not destroy the larva you have. Best of luck...Carl

[EMBRYOGUY]

my temps run around 81.

i do not have them on a tile. i have about maybe 200 left with very silver eyes now.

question. how many hrs to you wait until you know there is not more hatching? last night i waited for 3 hrs until i took out my snagger.

[EMBRYOGUY]

i have so many rotifers in there it s crazy and the water is so green i cant even see bottom of the tank ! lol

there is no way they are starving this time, according to some theories!

if there is a massive die off its not bec of lack of food i hope atleast.

my goal with this batch is to prevent any from hanging on the sides with the live phyto.

[Kmiec123]

I may have heard when papa goes to sleep, but 3-4 hrs should be enough. Although I also heard of hatches through the night. Try again tonight and if you can get a tile over their spawning sight right after the hatch, they might take right too it and make life a LITTLE easier later. the back of any floor tile cut around 5x5 or lacy pot(tara cotta).

[mwp]

I think Fishguttz suggeseted that in my thread...once the mail is sleeping hatching is likely not happening....

Matt

[Kmiec123]

Sorry Fishgutzz I've read sp much over the last three months, I have no idea how you can remeber who said what...you're the best Matt. I think my brain is just overworked...

[EMBRYOGUY]

that was the premise i was going on last night. watch the male s action. both male and female were blowing on the nest, but i saw no larvae after 1.5 hrs.

they did finally settle down at 3.0 hrs. so thats when i took my snagger out..

i noticed this morning less eggs so they must of staggered the hatching.

for my next batch im going to delay the lights for 2hrs to force them to hatch when i want them to. i did this bec of circumstances on christmas even and recovered arond 600 in about 1 hr. and almost nothing was left after 1.5 hrs.

[EMBRYOGUY]

very odd. since 6 am. when the lights came on, ive lost some eggs.

could they hatch with the lights on? or maybe the male removed them>?

[EMBRYOGUY]

i thought this process was going to be predictable. so far its not at all ! lol

[EMBRYOGUY]

revised snagger 1/6/7

added black floor panel to prevent light from moonlight to shine thru the snagger and light up the sandbed below.

added cross/diagonal panel to reduse flow/whirlpool affect from the suction/pump. the larvae will get pushed thru than the opposite side will have very reduced flow.





im hoping these changes will make the recovery rate even better and maybe less stress on the larvae.

before changes i recovered almost 90% from my second batch. around 600.

third batch. was not good bec of the split hatch.

[mwp]

Sweet mods! BTW, the diagonal panel has more surface area...even better for the babies. Although, the acute corner angle...I've been wondering how many babies MAY get caught up in that. Hasn't happend in my diagonal setup yet, but it's something I'm still keeping an eye on.

Matt

[EMBRYOGUY]

yeah that was my initial thought that the babies would hit it when they enter, but my flow is very mod. the shape of the snagger causes any flow inward to dev. a circle motion inside. so this way they can get trapped on the opposite side.

this is all theory of course. we ll see with the next batch.

[mwp]

Try running it in a bucket with some otohime or something..that'll tell you exactly how the water flows before you risk actual larvae...