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Old 01/07/2008, 07:56 PM
PaulCom PaulCom is offline
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Any MH electical experts out there?

Did I do something stoooopid?

I bought a CoralView Aqualight - 2 x 250 MH, 4 x 96 Actinics.

I wanted to upgrade a bit, so I purchased two 250W IceCap ballasts and two Phoenix 250W DE 14K bulbs.

I installed the bulbs and plugged the fixture into one of the ballasts. I plugged the ballast into the wall.

After a few seconds, I heard some small popping, like a water pipe heating up. Then one of the bulbs flickered and came on.

Then there was smoke and even a bit of flame. The bulb went out. I non-chalantly unplugged the ballast.

I disassembled the fixture a bit to find the source of the flame. I got down to the igniter and noticed the end of it was wet with a film of this dark colored fluid. There is an LED right next to the igniter, and the bracket had a black hot spot on the underside where it would have been closest to the igniter.

Without laughing too loud, what did I do?
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Old 01/07/2008, 08:32 PM
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Which PFO ballasts did you get? Are you sure they're HQI compatible? I'm not sure what you mean by the igniter, since I'm not an expert, but I don't think that there shouldn't be any active electronics in the hood that are running besides the bulbs themselves, if you're using an IceCap ballast.

I'd check the model numbers on the ballasts.
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Old 01/07/2008, 09:59 PM
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Does the fixture perhaps have internal ballasts?
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Old 01/07/2008, 10:17 PM
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The fixture has internal ballasts for the actinic, but it came with Coralife 250W external ballasts.

"The light source consists of a ballast, igniter, and bulb. The ballast provides the start-up voltage, then backs off and delivers a constant operating voltage and current. The igniter strikes the arc. The bulb houses the arc tube. "

Could the igniter just have been bad? I thought about hooking up the other light, but the ballast plug tingled in my hand when I started to plug it in (prongs just inserted into the outlet) so I pulled back.....
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Old 01/07/2008, 10:52 PM
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how did you hook it up.
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Old 01/07/2008, 10:55 PM
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the IceCap came with a female plug on one end and a male plug on the other end.

The fixture had a male plug. I connected the male plug of the fixture into the female plug of the ballast. I connected the male plug of the ballast to the electrical outlet.
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Old 01/07/2008, 11:16 PM
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Pics would be good here.

Did you plug the flourescent component into the MH ballast??? Should not have been regular "cord cap" for the secondary of the ballast.
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Old 01/07/2008, 11:19 PM
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I don't know enough to be of much help. I have read about bulbs having igniters and dual igniters in play causing problems. You may wan't to post this question of the lighting filtration and equipment forum.
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Old 01/07/2008, 11:48 PM
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yeah some pictures of the ballast would be helpful....
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Old 01/07/2008, 11:52 PM
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Two Canuck Electricians on the same post! Paul may have hit the jackpot...
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Old 01/08/2008, 01:06 AM
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This hand-tingling sounds very dangerous to me. I would not do anything without some help from an electrician.
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Old 01/08/2008, 02:11 AM
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I guess he just replaced the ballast but does the IceCap ballast still need the ignitor (capacitor) ?
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Old 01/08/2008, 10:08 AM
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I just got a reply from IceCap.

No, the ballast does not need the ignitor - and according to IceCap - will damage the ignitor if connected.

No kidding.....damage as in smoke, fire and angry wife. Even the dog is looking at me in a disgusted way.

Does anyone know if I can just remove the ignitor from the system and wire direct? There are three terminals on the ignitor - "B", "Lp" and "N"

A red wire comes from the fixture into terminal B
A white wire comes from the fixture into terminal N
Wires go out from Lp and N into the lamp

Can I remove the ignitor and just connect the red wire to the white going out of Lp and the two neutral wires and be okay?

or do I need to pull out my old electrical text books? *L*
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Old 01/08/2008, 10:38 AM
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Lets see if I can get some pics to upload





 


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