ANyone try Brightwell Aquatics PhosphatR?

ezcompany · #1 12/10/2007, 07:09 PM

I was looking for a non GFO solution to phosphate removal, and a friend recommended this product to me. How would it be used?
It says 1ml per gallon, but its resin based. I'm guessing it would go under a phosphate reactor?

anyways does anyone have any feedback on this product?

http://www.championlighting.com/prod...cat=738&page=1

mbbuna · #2 12/10/2007, 07:48 PM

what dummy recommended that to you

J/K

ive seen a lot of people ask the same question but dont think ive seen anyone thats used it

ezcompany · #3 12/10/2007, 08:03 PM

bertoni · #4 12/10/2007, 08:19 PM

I haven't seen any reviews yet, either. If you try it, let us know how it works!

mbbuna · #5 12/11/2007, 01:31 AM

EZ i think you asked about this stuff "Lanthanum Chloride" also a while back but i just found this thread that you might want to look at http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/...ad.php?t=31529

ezcompany · #6 12/11/2007, 04:23 AM

i'm going to order the phosphatR first, if that doesn't seem to be working i'll give the liquid phosphate controllers a go. i wish i had a Hanna Phopshate meter Jonathan

Randy Holmes-Farley · #7 12/11/2007, 08:00 AM

I've yet to see any convincing data on the efficacy of such resins in reef aquaria, despite the fact that I make them professionally for other fields.

Flint&Eric · #8 12/11/2007, 12:00 PM

randy didnt realize you work at genzyme, very cool.

Boomer · #9 12/11/2007, 12:31 PM

Ah, he is the guy that invents drugs for them. He invented the drug Sevelamer Hydrochloride, sold by the name Renage by Genzyme. He merged his company GelTex Pharmaceuticals, with theirs and is director of research and a vice president.

Let me give you a long introduction of Randy

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...hreadid=207351

ezcompany · #10 12/11/2007, 01:16 PM

uh oh...now i don't want to place that order.....

mbbuna · #11 12/11/2007, 05:08 PM

Randy, do you feel that this product just doesnt work or that it doesnt work as well as advertised?

ezcompany · #12 12/11/2007, 05:08 PM

Dr. Farley, do you then recommend i give the product a try? or do you think it is absolutely unnecessary?

Randy Holmes-Farley · #13 12/12/2007, 08:16 AM

What I'm saying is that I've not seen any reason to think it will work, but it might. I'm skeptical, but would be happy to be shown otherwise. I've also not seen anyone known to us post even anecdotal evidence that it works.

FWIW, "works" may mean different things to different people. If it bound lots of phosphate at 2 ppm, and none at 0.1 ppm, is that effective? For some folks yes, for others, no. The usual problem with such organic polymer resins is that they have high capacity for phosphate, but poor binding strength, so bind fairly little are very low phosphate concentrations (unlike GFO, which is the opposite: low capacity but high binding strength).

The applications are a bit different, but I've tried some of the best phosphate binding resins from other industries (like my sevelamer) in reef aquarium water, and it did nothing for phosphate. They are typically best (way better than GFO) for binding a lot of phosphate when there are less competing ions (like chloride and sulfate) and higher concentrations of phosphate (like 500 ppm). That's the situation where my product works (in the human GI tract).

That said, I do not know the chemical makeup of that particular resin. I could design, and have done so, very strongly binding organic polymer resins, but I wouldn't expect them to be available at a reasonable price for this application.

If anyone tries it, please let us know how it works out.

ezcompany · #14 12/12/2007, 04:19 PM

alright, i went ahead and ordered the stuff. now can somebody lend me a hanna

i have no way of testing for phosphates except for what is visible in my tank (algae)

Randy Holmes-Farley · #15 12/12/2007, 04:30 PM

Let us know what color it is when you get it. One company was selling GFO that was encapsulated in plastic somehow. I don't think this is that type of material, but it it is darkly colored, it might be.

ezcompany · #16 12/19/2007, 06:52 PM

I received the product today.
It is basically tiny beads, ranging from 1/16th of an inch and smaller. It is smooth and round, no texture unlike regular gfo. The colors are mostly brown, with some black yellow and gold beads mixed into it. I will take a picture tonight for you Randy

Randy Holmes-Farley · #17 12/20/2007, 08:08 AM

Thanks. It sounds like other brands of aggregate GFO.

ezcompany · #18 12/20/2007, 01:00 PM

darn, forgot to bring my sd card home so i couldn't take pics.
i rinsed it last night though and compared to regular gfo, there is almost no dust! which is very pleasant for a change! now all i wish is that i had a Hanna

Randy, what do you mean by other brands of aggregate GFO?

Randy Holmes-Farley · #19 12/20/2007, 01:20 PM

Ones that are in big particle clumps (pellets), as opposed to little grainy bits.

Like this one from Warner:

http://www.warnermarine.com/Product17-PHOSaR.html

dsn112 · #20 12/20/2007, 02:16 PM

I just started using this media also. Ive been running it for about 3 days now. Too early to tell if its making a difference.

dsn112 · #21 12/20/2007, 05:16 PM

Randy, what would you recommend if this fails me too. I have used Pura Phoslock and now this. Should I go to RowaPhos if this doesn't do the trick?

ezcompany · #22 12/21/2007, 12:08 AM

Ok here it is in comparison with GFO:

PhosphatR

Warner Marine Phosar HC

Drs. Foster Smith Phos Pure

Randy Holmes-Farley · #23 12/21/2007, 08:18 AM

Randy, what would you recommend if this fails me too. I have used Pura Phoslock and now this. Should I go to RowaPhos if this doesn't do the trick?

While some may be more potent or more pure or more convenient than others, I've not really heard of any types of GFO that did not do what was required if enough was used in an appropriate fashion.

ezcompany · #24 12/21/2007, 06:14 PM

what do you think of the resin beads?

dsn112 · #25 12/27/2007, 10:38 AM

Well I have been using this stuff for about a week, maybe more.

I had a horrible cyano outbreak, all over my sand and a big piece of LR. I was gone for 5 days for the holiday and came back to clean for the first time in a while. My big piece of LR that had the cyano on it now is having a Hair outbreak. I think its working well, it seems like its phasing its way out.