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Old 03/26/2005, 07:00 PM
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would you say that an iwaki 55on a eductor or similar would be enough circulation?
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Old 03/26/2005, 07:07 PM
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Old 03/26/2005, 07:09 PM
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would you say that an iwaki 55on a eductor or similar would be enough circulation?
Jonah, that's what I have on the UV loop. It's a Iwaki55 with eductors on the returns. I run one return at a time and manually reverse them with ball valves when I want to change the flow pattern.
The Iwaki100 is running the tank/sump/tank loop and it has no eductors on it.
The Iwaki55 with eductors blows the Iwaki100 without away.
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Old 03/26/2005, 07:31 PM
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hehe...what if i dont have a large settling area for detritus in my sump? i can only fit a 36" long sump
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Old 03/26/2005, 08:00 PM
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actually, after i went BB, all my lifes problems were solved. It was amazing. I look and feel younger and stronger than ever. People stop me on the street, just to touch me. I have actually started the "Barebottom method of healing", which is a combination of low nutrient intake, lots of clean water, and maintaing the proper body temperature. Please look for me signing books at a Barnes and Noble near you soon..... and dont forget my online magazine...."Placing The Probe"..
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Old 03/26/2005, 08:04 PM
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Bomber, how do keep the corraline algea off and your cacium up?

and has anyone used acrylic instead of starboard? I have some laying around.
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Old 03/26/2005, 08:09 PM
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hehe...what if i dont have a large settling area for detritus in my sump? i can only fit a 36" long sump
Work your baffles so you have water coming into the middle compartment on the top and going out on the bottom. Then I did a trick with mine. I suspended eggcrate in the middle settling part about 4-5" off the bottom. That slows the flow down so detritus will settle under it and you can pick it up to siphon.
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Old 03/26/2005, 08:10 PM
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Bomber, how do keep the corraline algea off and your cacium up?

and has anyone used acrylic instead of starboard? I have some laying around.
Yep and it warps and can dry out and get brittle.

Why fool with it? Starboard/cutting board is cheap.
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Old 03/26/2005, 11:19 PM
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I used eggcrate to creat my BB, no problems yet? Been running for 1 1/2 mo.
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...&pagenumber=11


Bomber, what are your feelings on water changes on a BB sys? Are they necessary? How much & how often do you change out?
Why would you want to remove all that clean water?

Anyone out there stopped doing water changes?
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Old 03/27/2005, 02:47 AM
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How are all you guys finding the corraline growth on your starboard? Mine is getting very thick, in some places 5mm-6mm thick in bubbly bits and sheets (also a few other different growth patterns).
I wonder if in years to come the growth will prove to be problematic?
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Old 03/27/2005, 04:58 AM
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Bomber, what are your feelings on water changes on a BB sys? Are they necessary? How much & how often do you change out?
Why would you want to remove all that clean water?

Anyone out there stopped doing water changes?
No matter what you watter will not stay clean. Your always gonna have to do water changes no matter the frequency. That is the best way to remov polution.
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Old 03/27/2005, 08:48 AM
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actualy if anything it's a good way to replenish the things that corals need .

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Why would you want to remove all that clean water?

Anyone out there stopped doing water changes?
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No matter what you watter will not stay clean. Your always gonna have to do water changes no matter the frequency. That is the best way to remov polution.
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Old 03/27/2005, 08:53 AM
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Joe, I just read your thread in the SPS forum.

I was doing massive and very labor intensive water changes when I had substrate (DSB) in the tank trying to keep up with what it was leaking out.
Since going BB, I'm just changing a 5gal bucket when I get around to siphoning.
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Old 03/27/2005, 08:55 AM
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How are all you guys finding the corraline growth on your starboard? Mine is getting very thick, in some places 5mm-6mm thick in bubbly bits and sheets (also a few other different growth patterns).
I wonder if in years to come the growth will prove to be problematic?
Here's my solution to it.

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Old 03/27/2005, 10:55 AM
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Old 03/27/2005, 11:11 AM
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I used eggcrate to creat my BB, no problems yet? Been running for 1 1/2 mo.
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...&pagenumber=11


Bomber, what are your feelings on water changes on a BB sys? Are they necessary? How much & how often do you change out?
Why would you want to remove all that clean water?

Anyone out there stopped doing water changes?
It seems to me like eggcrate would actually make the problem worse. Wouldn't it just trap a lot of detritus?
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Old 03/27/2005, 11:36 AM
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Once, when my skimmer broke, and I was out of time:
I had an egg crate grow out rack in the tank. It was the first thing to grow algea and within a few days it became an algea net. Every piece of poo was caught in the algaecrate web.
Of course, it was easy enough to swap out once I was able to fix the skimmer.

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Old 03/27/2005, 11:57 AM
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It seems to me like eggcrate would actually make the problem worse. Wouldn't it just trap a lot of detritus?

That's the whole reason that I don't like shallow sand beds. Either go with a real DSB or go no sand at all. Keeping up with the maintenance on a shallow bed is a lot more than most people realize. And it doesn't give you a warning when you don't.
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Old 03/27/2005, 12:09 PM
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No, my eggcrate was first filled with crushed coral, then a thin layer of fine sand on top. There is no way crap will get to the eggcrate, just serves as a substrate. The top layer of sand seals it off.

My reasoning for using eggcrate I thought was clear from my post?
-It's freagin cheap
-By using CC, not every piece of CC touches the bottom of the tank, & there are some air spaces. I was worried about the tank cracking.
-The tank & board are lighter, not that much heavy. As opposed to filling entire tank bottom...lots of eggrate space.
-Got rid of my CC, that would have went in the trash anyway
-Seems to work, why not? I know...you need more time, sure I will be the guinea.
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Old 03/27/2005, 01:24 PM
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No, my eggcrate was first filled with crushed coral, then a thin layer of fine sand on top. There is no way crap will get to the eggcrate, just serves as a substrate. The top layer of sand seals it off.
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Old 03/27/2005, 02:44 PM
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You can use pieces of egg crate.. small pieces, to prop up rocks. But covering the whole bottom defeats the pourpose of going w/out substrait.
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Old 03/27/2005, 02:52 PM
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In general, I've found that the cheapest route always ends up costing more in the long run when it comes to reef tanks.

Bomber, I've been tossing this idea around in my head for the last few weeks, let me know what you think about it.

For my next tank, I was thinking about having the bottom made of white acrylic, and then adding a very very thin layer of sand. Once the flow kicks in, the sand would probably get piled up around the rocks, leaving me with a tank that is essentially bare bottomed, but without the look of having such a flat, unnatural looking bottom. Could this work, or would it still end up trapping too much detritus around the rocks?
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Old 03/27/2005, 06:48 PM
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Old 03/27/2005, 11:48 PM
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Very funny! That can be our logo.

Ok, so what are you guys saying to me? I just setup a nitrate factory BB? By looking at what I did, there is NO WAY stuff will get in, the top layer is a very fine sand & thick mixture, although thin layer probably 3-4/16".

I just instructed another guy to do the same thing as I did, he feels confident as well. This setup is the way to go! Looks so natural & cheaper!

I can give you guys closer pics if need be?
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Old 03/28/2005, 09:28 AM
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Ok, so what are you guys saying to me? I just setup a nitrate factory BB? By looking at what I did, there is NO WAY stuff will get in, the top layer is a very fine sand & thick mixture, although thin layer probably 3-4/16".
Stuff will get in because it's bacteria's job to get it in there.

If nothing would get in, then no "formula" DSB would work.
 

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