Just bought a boxfish and yellow tang

t to the maxx2 · #1 10/23/2007, 10:30 PM

Made a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STJOZ9idjf4

Also got some fire and ice zooanthids and another small rock with some zoa's and a mushroom on it.

jski711 · #2 10/23/2007, 10:32 PM

be careful with that boxfish. i've heard of them wiping out entire tanks when they die, really expensive if that happens in a reef tank.

-=Efrain=- · #3 10/23/2007, 10:39 PM

Man I have wanted one since I went to cozumel and saw them in the wild.. But I know what happens when they die..

I just heard a story of rock falling on a cowfish and it died and wiped out the guys tank. Sorry I don't mean to rain on your parade.. I hope all goes well..

t to the maxx2 · #4 10/23/2007, 10:40 PM

Now i'm kinda worried, heard about the toxins before, but just dismissed it. I guess I'll have to be careful and hope for the best, at least for now.

hansnfrans · #5 10/23/2007, 10:44 PM

FWIW: I've had a cowfish die in a 46gal tank and it didn't release any toxins whatsoever.....But this obviously isn't always the case.

Pufferpunk · #6 10/23/2007, 11:46 PM

Cowfish should be in a species only tank. If it gets spooked/stressed by your other fish it will relase enough poison to wipe out everything living in there. Also, did you research their adult size? 20"

In addtion, they are slow eaters and should not be housed with aggressive eaters.

dangtang25 · #7 10/23/2007, 11:59 PM

I dont typically flame or anything but I just had to speak up in this case.

Impulse buys which are not in the best interest of the livestock really seems like a bit of a trend for you..

Ribbon eel- No longer
Mandarin- Im assuming no longer
Clownfish (didnt the eel eat them)
I think more..

and now the cowfish and a yellow tang in a 46 gallon..

I think you should start being more of a responsible hobbyist.. sorry. Just my 2 cents

Pufferpunk · #8 10/24/2007, 12:01 AM

Yeah, a little research goes a long way. Why would you dismiss the info you heard about a fish, without at least looking into it?

badazztealcobra · #9 10/24/2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by dangtang25
I dont typically flame or anything but I just had to speak up in this case.

Impulse buys which are not in the best interest of the livestock really seems like a bit of a trend for you..

Ribbon eel- No longer
Mandarin- Im assuming no longer
Clownfish (didnt the eel eat them)
I think more..

and now the cowfish and a yellow tang in a 46 gallon..

I think you should start being more of a responsible hobbyist.. sorry. Just my 2 cents

I was thinking the same thing myself....

kawicivic · #10 10/24/2007, 07:34 AM

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I'm 16 and always looking for a good cheap frag in the chicago land area

doesnt that answer some questions?

not to flame either but hopefully maturity will come with age

dangtang25 · #11 10/24/2007, 10:24 AM

Glad I'm not the only one.. I was hesitant to post but just had to.

Everyone is guilty of making an impulse buy or making a mistake at one time or another but there comes a point where you learn and decide that the animals best interest should be the top priority, not what you really want or what looks really cool. You need to make sure the fish/corals you get are compatible and that your capable of caring for them.

My advice to you: Do the right thing and return both fish, or find them suitable homes before they end up like your others.

SlowCobra · #12 10/24/2007, 10:49 AM

I believe age plays a major factor in this, but Musho on here is also around the same age and he appears to be pretty informed and does his homework prior to any acquisition he is considering.

We were all young and dumb at some point however if I had a tank that solely belonged to me at 14-17 years old and everything died in a short period of time, I would figure out why. At 14-17 unless your parents spend money hand over fist on you then you are not usually independently wealthy. After losing the first few things and looking at how much money I DON'T have. I would look for a much better way to do things that is much more satisfying and cost effective.

dangtang25 · #13 10/24/2007, 10:51 AM

After digging, (bored at work) I found some thread I'd not even seen before..

Eel dies thread..

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1036726

Quest to make his tank "Different & Unique"

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1020834

Brother has a freakin tessaleta eel..

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1006810

Bragging about mixing inverts w/ his eel

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...hreadid=978593

theres more but I need to get back to work.

steri · #14 10/24/2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by SlowCobra
I believe age plays a major factor in this, but Musho on here is also around the same age and he appears to be pretty informed and does his homework prior to any acquisition he is considering.

We were all young and dumb at some point however if I had a tank that solely belonged to me at 14-17 years old and everything died in a short period of time, I would figure out why. At 14-17 unless your parents spend money hand over fist on you then you are not usually independently wealthy. After losing the first few things and looking at how much money I DON'T have. I would look for a much better way to do things that is much more satisfying and cost effective.

Well, they did buy him a brand new car...remember that thread, I wish I could have had a brand new car when I was 16-17

All in all I agree with dangtang. Both fish you bought are not condusive for a 46 gallon environment. The tang will get stressed quickly. Don't be suprised to see black spot disease with him soon due to his stress. The box fish just should not be in a 46, unless you planned to get rid of him in a couple of months when he is going to start to grow (and I can't imagine you bought him for that purpose). My recommendations would be the same as dangtang. Either trade the fish to enviroments that are more condusive to their health, or see if you can take them back. You are eitehr getting awful advice before you buy a fish, or just need to do a bit more homework. I'd love a box fish too. I think they are incredibally unique, but I know my 75 is too small for a boxfish, and a porcupine puffer, ect, ect, ect. Stay within your means, there are many awesome fish that can go into a 46 just fine. Try looking into those.

SlowCobra · #15 10/24/2007, 11:18 AM

I don't recall that thread. Obviously this is a case of more money than brains. I don't intentionally mean to bash the parents but by handing him everything they are teaching the wrong thing about life. Particularly when it comes to this hobby. Hell just look at the extremes I am going through to save a few fish(Sometimes reefing just isn't worth it...). In the end it probably would be cheaper to have let them attempt to shake off the ich in my tank. However it isn't about the money, it's the principle of respecting the things that are in your care. Obviously not something the thread starter can comprehend being a spoiled brat.

steri · #16 10/24/2007, 11:33 AM

This is the thread about the car :

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1042139

I don't want to go as far as to call him spoiled (although the thread I posted makes it hard for me to argue that point). I was 16-17 once too. I had a saltwater tank then too, and I was not nearly as smart about it then as I am now. Having that said, when I did have something die or did something wrong when I was 16-17, I researched why it happened, and didn't make the same mistakes twice.

Case in point, I admit it, I once had a porcupine puffer in a 30 gallon when I was 17. He actually never died, but once I found research saying he needed a MUCH bigger home, I traded him to someone that had a 125. He lived for a year in my 30 gallon, but looking back at it I should have done the research up front.

It just seems that he is not doing the research over and over and over again based on what I'm reading. I personally may not want to call him spoiled, but SlowCobra, I do agree with you that his parents are not teaching him much about earining and working for anything in life IF they are just handing him everything.

Coming from the perspective of someone that has to deal with parents on a daily basis that continually do not do their basic parental responsibilities because they have "other priorities," it's one of those red button topics for me that tick me off.

I don't want to pass judgements on someone I don't know, but I will admit, what I read is frustrating.

SlowCobra · #17 10/24/2007, 11:41 AM

I typically won't try to pass judgement however I think the facts speak for themselves. I was never bought a new car. Majority of items I got were either worked for or hand me downs. As for when you were younger(I am guessing you are probably somewhere in/around your 30's) with a tank, research was not as readily available. My mom and her BF started me in this hobby about 15 years ago. Research back then was scarce at best. Sure there were a few books, but relatively few long term success stories. The internet has advanced the aquatic industry greatly by offering a plethora of information.

pk1 · #18 10/24/2007, 11:54 AM

wow this has gone a bit off topic huh? Agreed, research, PLEASE before you buy marine animals. Our oceans can only take so much. Each one of us has to do our part if we want this hobby that we love to be around in 20 years. Calling the kid spoiled or questioning his parents is going just a wee bit to far, don't ya think?

SlowCobra · #19 10/24/2007, 11:58 AM

Based on the facts, no. It is my opinion given the previous and current threads started by the original poster. While others, such as yourself, may not agree with my opinion I stand firmly behind it. The majority of kids now a days are far too frequently handed everything in life which in turn causes them to act like children well into adulthood as they expect everything to continue to be handed to them. Despite the numerous bad decisions he has made already in the hobby, he has not learned to research his decisions and merely impulse buys. This results in the death of the majority of livestock he gets.

Pufferpunk · #20 10/24/2007, 12:14 PM

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PLEASE before you buy marine animals.

I think that goes for ANY animal, not just marine. What about the folks that buy pacus, irridescent sharks (sold at every single LFS), clown knives, etc? I won't even start with buying puppies folks can't take care of...

pk1 · #21 10/24/2007, 12:21 PM

Agreed Puffer.

The only facts you have is that he's 16 and buys marine animals unsuitable for his tank.

Flint&Eric · #22 10/24/2007, 12:24 PM

not agreeing with his stocking and suggesting he return the fish (which i agree with) is one thing...calling him and his parents out is another. you have no idea of their situation nor is it any of your business.

if you dont have anything nice to say, step away from the keyboard.

happy reefing.

PSam · #23 10/24/2007, 12:31 PM

Digging up dirt from old threads about a kid's reef and going so far as to speculate on his home life? a bit much for my taste. Give the guy a break.

Illuminati · #24 10/24/2007, 12:38 PM

Ripping him like this isn't going to make him feel like coming around here for future questions.

No need for half of the comments in this thread.

SlowCobra · #25 10/24/2007, 12:47 PM

I expressed my opinion based on the facts available. It is my opinion if you don't like my opinion then put me on ignore. Simple as that. He is young and dumb as we all were. Most people learn from their mistakes. The original poster however does not appear to do that. Perhaps we should call him insane. After all insanity can be described as performing the same actions over and over expecting a different result.