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07/16/2003, 06:53 PM
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do you dive...what happened?
diving in a freshwater area with a cave instructor took me into the cave with a few ppl....i cant remember waht it was...but sumthing happened which floated my to the top of the cave....i couldnt move stuck there......everyone left the dive site with me there..finally people realised i want there...after about 45 minutes of sitting htere in the dark motionless they came back to get me....i had already said my prayers asked god for forgiveness when finally a light apperaed i nteh cagve an an arm pulled me out
now waht do you think happened to my gear...the dive guy told me sumthing but i cant remember |
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07/16/2003, 06:56 PM
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Ummm, why did they leave?
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07/16/2003, 08:41 PM
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That is pretty serious, I would NEVER dive again with that group!! Your dive partner should never leave your side, esp in an inherently dangerous environment such as a cave. Also, BCDs should have a emergency dump valve in case of uncontrolled inflation. If that had happened at depth you might not be telling this story!
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07/16/2003, 08:53 PM
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Tomh, you are right on the money. Better to hurt someone’s feelings than to let them blindly continue a practice that could easily get them killed. When diving you should know your equipment intimately, its functions, how to compensate for a failure, the effects of water and pressure on the human body and your own personal limits!
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07/16/2003, 08:54 PM
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Getting certified by PADI or NAUI would put you in that catagory.
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07/17/2003, 03:26 AM
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As a qualified diver, your instructor (what a joke that was) should have ensured that you had been paired up with a buddy. This is a safety net to ensure you have a back up in case anything fails on your equipment or you run into trouble.
As you found out the hard way, neither your buddy nor your instructor were paying attention to detail. In this instance you would have a case of complaint against the diving school / divemaster. This is something that could have been a tragedy, you were lucky but the next person in the school will not be. I have been diving for years and have trained with PADI, they are very proffesional, but the ownus is still in your hands to insure you are aware of the problems you are likely to face. Sometimes instructors use this as a get out of **** clause as you really sign your life away every time you go diving. This should show you they are not all responsible divemasters/instructors. If it were me I'd go to another dive school. Also diving in overhangs / cave calls for professional training and your instructor should never have taken you there if you were not on a cave diving course or not experienced. After 45 minutes you were probably nearly out of Air in your cylinder, so you were very fortunate. Go to a different school to enjoy the benefits of this most enjoyable hobby. Jay |
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07/17/2003, 05:39 AM
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This sounds very strange to me. Cave diving in an overhead environment is strictly reserved to very confirmed divers (100s or even 1000s of logged dives) and only to the boldest of them. It requires a tremendous amount of material (it is not rare to see cave divers with 4+ tanks) and at least 1 light, 1 backup for that light and a second backup in case the first backup fails (You said you stayed in the dark?) If you didn't know what made you float, you are obviously a beginner. It is unconceivable for a beginner to use multi tank setups, and in such stressful conditions, even the biggest tank would only last about half an hour and only at shallow depth (unless you are a yoga adept). It must have been a very short dive before your problem happened.
Anyway, for those interested here is a very good link. The stories are very interesting http://www.cavedivers.com.au/ |
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07/17/2003, 12:59 PM
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I agree with a previous post, you lost nuetral buoyancy somehow - for that sudden of an event it would have to be either 1) Lost weight belt; 2) BC Inflator stuck in on position; or 3) If you have those emergency inflate mechanism on your BC that fills the vest with a Co2 cartridge, it sounds like you activated that somehow. Since you didn't say anything about a missing weight belt, I would have to lean towards #3. Usually, the Co2 cartridges have a rip cord that may have been tangled on something during your dive and ended up being pulled.
I also have to agree with a previous post on the fact that your class left you behind does not say a lot for your instructor. When I was running classes here in CA, we have 5' or less of visability many times and it would be easy to lose a student under those conditions. Thus, we always had 1 or 2 safety divers along with an instructor whose main responsibility was to "herd the sheep". Jeff |
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#15
07/17/2003, 01:12 PM
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A lot of people have told you what you now know.
Don't dive above your experience level. I would like to say good job on staying calm. The one thing I have learned from diving is... If you panic you die. Good Luck!
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07/17/2003, 01:12 PM
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I am honestly surpirsed (but glad) that you survived. Assuming you were swimming around before hand for a bit I am surprised your air lasted that long. I used to dive with the aluminum 110 tanks and could last maybe 40 minutes total if I was just drift diving, and exerting very little energy.
You got lucky! Find a new instructor/school.
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07/17/2003, 03:02 PM
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Sorry, but I have to pick up on the name "CMSACD". Is that a typo and should read "CSMACD" as in "Carrier Sense Multiple Access / Collision Detect", or is it meant to be a sort of computer geeky pun on "CMAS" and "CSMA/CD", meaning it should have been typed CMASCD? OR am I missing a point here?
8oD 
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07/17/2003, 03:32 PM
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Quote:
igoRluse makes some very good points here. Damn you got lucky! I have lasted longer than 30 mins on a dive but not much longer. We used to routinely fill the 110cu/ft cylinders up to about 3300 psi which would get me about 35-40 minutes in 30 feet of water off Anacapa but that was drift diving where you just float along with the current and then the boat picks you up. I have never dived in fresh water but I cannot imagine the air usage is much different. Did I mention you got lucky? You might want to get youself down to the local liquor store and pick up a lottery ticket.
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07/17/2003, 04:23 PM
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Call me a skeptic...but something smells fishy...
In any case, glad you came out of it OK. I would really read up on cave diving, and get certified if you haven't already to do so with a qualified instructor. Regards, Perry
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#20
07/17/2003, 05:16 PM
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I don't know about smelling fishy- I have a theory he ate a bunch of mexican food and inflated his suit that way!
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07/17/2003, 07:14 PM
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umm yeah the thing is i was in cuba....and i did this little dive thing on the resort then they take you out....this cave wasnt really a massive cave...you could say it was 15 feet inwards...still enough for darkness
as for the 45 minutes.......i didnt time it...but i was down there for at least 30 mins..at least..maybe 40 - 45...i dont know for sure...thats 30 - 45 minutes to long id say and yeah i never tried anythng like this really...my mistake as much as intructor |
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