DSB Related Journals, Newspaper Articles, ETC...

[Aged Salt]

Idrhawke, were you friends with Fabian? Or that beautiful blonde with the big tits, that I hurried home from school to watch dance Bob

[photobarry]

Originally posted by gregt
Does anybody know of any scientific journals that show that a DSB will support a reef tank long term?

Is someone trying to get this thread back on track?

[Bomber]

I've seen a few that show that a reef tank will support a DSB for a long term though, even way after it's crashed.

[Shoestring Reefer]

Originally posted by ldrhawke
It was over 45 years ago that my girlfriend and I won a dance contest on the TV show American Bandstand.

Come on now, you must have a copy. Post a 30-second clip! I could show some relatives who used to watch that show, and they'd probably be amazed at who you can run into on the internet.

[ldrhawke]

Dearest Mudder.... The Importance of Deep Sand.
By Ronald L. Shimek, Ph. D.


The Why's and How's of Sand Beds
The Role of the Benthos in the Reef Aquarium Ecosystem
Initially Published in the March, 2001, Aquarium Fish Magazine
Ronald L. Shimek, Ph D.


An Introduction to Deep Sand Beds
for the Natural Marine Aquarium
By Anthony Calfo

Flash Dancing on Deep Sand Beds
by Fabian


..............

[Aged Salt]

See, Barry, what you've done now nobody will post Bob

[photobarry]

Originally posted by Aged Salt
See, Barry, what you've done now nobody will post Bob

It's a nice day out, we should all be at the beach enjoying the sun and scenery!

[Aged Salt]

OK, rub it in since you're in sunny Cali Bob

[photobarry]

If you insist! lol

Any papers to discuss? On anything?

[Bomber]

One of you plenum suckers ( ) needs to contact Richard Harker, he did that years ago.

[SPC]

Originally posted by Bomber
One of you plenum suckers ( ) needs to contact Richard Harker, he did that years ago.

Quite right Bomber, Richard was sucking out plenums years ago. Is this the same thing as the CPW method?
Steve

[Bomber]

Exactly the same.

[ldrhawke]

this plenum sucker will bite......As you have said BB has been around since the beginning of time. Nothing new there. No one disagrees you can make BB work.

And, I've read hundreds of post on RC, from reefkeepers that have used BB for years or tried it for awhile and stopped using it; because they didn't like all the waste building up in the corners and floating around the tank, the high nitrates they couldn't control, the hair algae growing in their tanks, they needed to make daily mechanical filter changes to remove waste, the necessary continuous high rate water changes to maintain good water quality, they didn't like sterile unnatural looking set up, they didn't like being unable to keep substrate loving fish and creatures, they felt it had limited biological loading capability.........etc, etc, etc.........and your point about Harken is?

...... What insight do you believe Richard Harker can give us poor plenum suckers His name has been mentioned on several occasions but how do we contact him? All past experience and insight is always welcome. We don't have all the answers, which often appears to be a problem for many on RC that feel that they do and that they have a religious calling to convert those that may differ in thinking.

[gregt]

... because they didn't like all the waste building up in the corners and floating around the tank

I don't have any.

the high nitrates they couldn't control

I don't have any.

the hair algae growing in their tanks

I don't have any.

they needed to make daily mechanical filter changes to remove waste

I have to clean my monster skimmer bucket once a week. That's it for mechanical waste removal.

the necessary continuous high rate water changes to maintain good water quality

Makes it more natural to me. Have you ever seen what a real reef is like.

they didn't like sterile unnatural looking set up

It only takes about a month before you realize that you don't look at the bottom of the tank when it's healthy. You're looking at the rock, the fish and the corals....

they didn't like being unable to keep substrate loving fish and creatures

True that, but I can't keep a whale shark either. There are limitations to any method.

they felt it had limited biological loading capability

Perhaps they have been misinformed for years by the popular dogma?

It sounds more like you are describing people that haven't run BB rather than those that have.

I don't consider BB a religion at all. I do appreciate how much easier it is and how much more success I've had with them. I've run CC, DSBs, SSB's, and BB. Each for many years. I'm not preaching, but I am going to pass on my experiences after trying all those methods.

[Bomber]

Originally posted by ldrhawke
We don't have all the answers, which often appears to be a problem for many on RC that feel that they do and that they have a religious calling to convert those that may differ in thinking.

Who are you talking about? Unless it's the DSB people that did this for years.

You sure do get testy every time someone suggests that you're not he first one to think of draining a plenum, you know that?

[wasp]

Hey Bomber! What you doin up this time of night?

You're correct of course, some of the most arrogant bashing I've seen was by certain DSB proponents of old.

But Hawke was not one of those, plus him and me just got called plenum suckers, name calling can make one testy. ( It was kind of funny though, I'm going to brand the BB people Syphon Suckers ). Not too much though cos now I am one!

IMO for someone who has only been in the hobby 6 months (I think ) he has done a lot of thinking and absolutely working hard to develop a good method. He has done some very good work.
I am looking forward to see how it turns out in a few years - he may prove all the naysayers wrong yet.

And Hawke, if you read this, don't worry I'm defending you I'm not actually, I just think anyone whose put in the effort should get a fair go.

When I first joined reef central I found it a much more rude and aggresive place than what I had expected, took me by surprise, but oh well that's human nature.

[Bomber]

I like Syphon Sucker.

You guys need to remember that this is supposed to be fun, then you won't have to worry about who's defending who.

[wasp]

Ok us guys could remember that. Hope yooz guys can too

[Bomber]

Don't put me in that group.

[gregt]

Oh for crying out loud. Now we're arguing about who is arguing?

Time to get back to the point of the thread. Papers and articles in scientific journals relating to DSB's....

[wasp]

Didn't know I put anyone in any group!
But Cheers anyway, I'm off to bed..

[Bomber]

Every time someone posts, it bumps it back to the top.

[Shoestring Reefer]

Greg- Stop arguing about what this thread is suppose to be about.

Bomber- Tell me about it. But I think we've come a lot closer to killing the topic; we seem to be getting fewer new people interested in bickering with each passing week. Another year, and these threads will be down 20 relpies a day.

[bluereefs]

Is funny that so many years,money and server place are wasted because of ordinary nitrate reductions,nitrate reductions is IMO most simplest things to do,who say that is complicated?
If someone really have high nitrates or worry about posiblle nitrate problem in the future,here is the most simplest,cheapest and safest nitrate reductions system,probably cost 50 $ in DIY versions.It need big blue filter foam,plastic box and small pump.

[Bomber]

Can we all agree that sand beds hold and leak phosphates?