Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community Archives > More Forums > Reef Club Forums > SouthEast Region-Reef Club Forums > Florida Panhandle Reefkeepers

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01/04/2008, 11:01 AM
JaredWaites JaredWaites is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Destin, FL
Posts: 651
Send a message via AIM to JaredWaites
Coral Toxicity (Beginners be sure to read)

Coral Toxicity
by Jared Waites

Welcome beginner coral enthusiasts!

This thread was created, because I had been thinking of the safety of others for once, instead of myself

I have a couple of pointers to point out, that might save your life or keep you from becoming ill when your playing with your reef.

You might think, how is my life endangered when I play with my tank? There are a lot of ways to die or be injured from playing with our tanks, electrocution, cut fingers instead of cutting corals, but being poisoned? Is this possible with the reef? If your asking that question in your head, your dang skippy. Because Zoanthids, contain one of the worlds most deadliest toxins called, Palytoxin. Remember, all Zoathids carry Palytoxin, some more then others.

1. When handling Zoanthids (Zoo's, Zoanthus, Zoanthidae, Palythoa, etc.), handle them as few times as you can when fragging them, as they will shed slime in defense of you handling them and cutting at them. This slime contains the same powerful neurotoxin as I mentioned above.

2. ALWAYS wear gloves, NO MATTER WHO DOESN'T WEAR THEM, you remember to ALWAYS wear them because a lot of people are injured and get sick from not wearing them. Cuts on your hand make you even more vulnerable to being exposed to the toxin. Just because you don't get sick this time, or haven't in the past...that's just because the variables haven't been right.

3. Wash your hands when your finished, even if you wore gloves.

4. Keep kids and pets away while your fragging, and never let them handle corals.

5. Sometimes small Nudibranchs (sea slugs) are on Zoanthids. Do not attempt to remove them by hand, because you'll most likely end up being exposed to the toxin. From reports across the web, they are claiming that the Nudibranchs toxins are Palytoxin, that it gets from the Zoanthids...except that its MUCH more concentrated. So refrain from mushing them on the glass to kill them, and just wear gloves, and use a pair of pliers to remove them.

6. NEVER put your hands in your aquarium with open sores, chapped hands, or cuts.


7. If you have some goggles available, I suggest wearing them as well...Zoanthids have been known to 'squirt' when handled out of water for propagation.

Children particularly would be at risk to this toxin, so please beware, its not just harming pets, its harming humans as well.

Although not having any Zoanthids in your tank doesn't mean you shouldn't wear gloves. Cuts from liverock and other corals can cause SEVERE bacterial infections which are life threatening...and could call for possible amputation.

Not to mention bristle worms, which cause a nasty sting when handled, especially the larger ones.

Lets get back to the Zoathids and the Zoa eating Nudibranches. The quickest way to get rid of something sliding on the glass is by smashing it. Well if you happen to do this to a Zoanthid Eating Nudi, the concentrated Palytoxin contained inside will be released and could find its way into your bloodstream.

There are a few articles here on Reef Central where this has happened.

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...hreadid=158663

Quote:
This quote was taken from TRI, but was quoted from The Reef Aquarium 2.


The Hawaiian zoanthid,Palythoa toxica contains an especially toxic chemical [most likely palytoxin] within its gastric cavity.Bowers and Walsh reported that a student collector had to be hospitalized for several days after accidentally touching a colony to an open wond on his hand.
The early Hawaiians were aware of the toxic nature of this zoanthid as they used to dip their spear points in them to make wonds made by them fatal.
Quote:
The crude ethanol extracts of the Palythoa toxica proved to be so toxic that an accurate LD50 was difficult to determine. More recently, the toxicity has been determined to be 50-100ng/kg i.p. in mice. The compound is an intense vasoconstrictor; in dogs, it causes death within 5 min at .06ug/kg. By extrapolation, a toxic dose in a human (obviously not determined) would be about 4 micrograms!!!. It is the most toxic organic substance known.
The quote above came from a website that is no longer available online. So according to the website above which was a chemistry website, its the most toxic organic toxin known to man.

So to summarize this article in one quick sentence, I would have to say:

Wear gloves while handling liverock and any Palythoa or Zoanthids.


Now for the pictures!


Some bacterial infection pictures from cuts. The particular infection was caused by Mycobacterium Marinum






Bristle worm sting, they call them Bristle worms for a reason



Hopefully these images will help you think twice before placing your hands in an aquarium without gloves!
__________________
Knowing something is having first hand experience - Me

Having a high post count doesn't necessarily show intelligence or knowledge, it simply shows you just talk a lot. - Me

Last edited by JaredWaites; 01/04/2008 at 11:50 AM.
  #2  
Old 01/04/2008, 01:09 PM
DrHank DrHank is offline
Spine Straightener
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crestview, FL
Posts: 1,622
Thanks Jared, this a topic that most of us are familiar with but I think that it's great that it gets brought up every so often for those who may not be aware.

I got lucky and my girls got me a pair of Aqua Gloves for Christmas. I have to admit that they are a bit cumbersome but they definitely keep my arms from itching when I used to have to work with them in my tank. They will also be great next Halloween if I decide to dress up like a monster.
__________________
Doc
  #3  
Old 01/04/2008, 01:25 PM
JaredWaites JaredWaites is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Destin, FL
Posts: 651
Send a message via AIM to JaredWaites
haha

Yeah if someone can't find the Aqua Gloves locally....which are awesome might I add, I have a pair of them somewhere around here...you could substitute the yellow arm gloves...you know like the ones you use in the kitchen.
__________________
Knowing something is having first hand experience - Me

Having a high post count doesn't necessarily show intelligence or knowledge, it simply shows you just talk a lot. - Me
  #4  
Old 01/04/2008, 01:40 PM
DrHank DrHank is offline
Spine Straightener
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crestview, FL
Posts: 1,622
But they wouldn't go all the way to my armpits and blue with orange hands is just too cool!
__________________
Doc
  #5  
Old 01/04/2008, 01:58 PM
JaredWaites JaredWaites is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Destin, FL
Posts: 651
Send a message via AIM to JaredWaites
True never thought of that. Good point.

I love my pair of aquagloves...they just right
__________________
Knowing something is having first hand experience - Me

Having a high post count doesn't necessarily show intelligence or knowledge, it simply shows you just talk a lot. - Me
  #6  
Old 01/04/2008, 09:56 PM
Phildirt Phildirt is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 292
Note to self...............lick the toad not the Zoanthids.
__________________
"Better is the enemy of good." Voltaire
  #7  
Old 01/04/2008, 11:28 PM
Vinnie71975 Vinnie71975 is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bryan Ohio
Posts: 445
Send a message via Yahoo to Vinnie71975
Quote:
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11524319#post11524319 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Phildirt
Note to self...............lick the toad not the Zoanthids.
Even Licking the Cane Toad can be Deadly, Serious allergic reactions are know to occur and there have also be people blinded buy the poison from toads!
__________________
God will have Mercy Your SW tank WONT- Me

Freedom Must occasionally be renewed with the blood of patriots-General Patton
  #8  
Old 01/05/2008, 10:57 AM
JaredWaites JaredWaites is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Destin, FL
Posts: 651
Send a message via AIM to JaredWaites
I don't think he was serious when posted that Vinnie.
__________________
Knowing something is having first hand experience - Me

Having a high post count doesn't necessarily show intelligence or knowledge, it simply shows you just talk a lot. - Me
  #9  
Old 01/05/2008, 12:07 PM
jadeguppy jadeguppy is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: nw Florida
Posts: 1,064
What about licking the public water fountain? I wonder which is worse...
__________________
Florida Panhandle Reefkeeper Club Member
  #10  
Old 01/05/2008, 06:12 PM
JaredWaites JaredWaites is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Destin, FL
Posts: 651
Send a message via AIM to JaredWaites
Quote:
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11527073#post11527073 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jadeguppy
What about licking the public water fountain? I wonder which is worse...
I would like a public water fountain and get a cold and other nasties...before having a powerful neurotoxin rushing through my veins.
__________________
Knowing something is having first hand experience - Me

Having a high post count doesn't necessarily show intelligence or knowledge, it simply shows you just talk a lot. - Me
  #11  
Old 01/05/2008, 07:06 PM
DrHank DrHank is offline
Spine Straightener
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crestview, FL
Posts: 1,622
How about we just save the licking for lollipops!
__________________
Doc
  #12  
Old 01/05/2008, 09:21 PM
jadeguppy jadeguppy is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: nw Florida
Posts: 1,064
Well, at least Doc kept if clean for the kiddies that may read this. Lollipops it is.
__________________
Florida Panhandle Reefkeeper Club Member
  #13  
Old 01/06/2008, 09:42 AM
JaredWaites JaredWaites is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Destin, FL
Posts: 651
Send a message via AIM to JaredWaites
hahaha

Yall crack me up.
__________________
Knowing something is having first hand experience - Me

Having a high post count doesn't necessarily show intelligence or knowledge, it simply shows you just talk a lot. - Me
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef Central Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2009