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05/18/2005, 05:15 PM
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Agreed meth sucks i live 2 hours from portland i have seen it's effects, immediately not prolonged like a cigarrette smoker. I myself do not smoke, and yes smoking claims lot's of lives, but so do bad genes. I am no better than a smoker, and if the smoker has the right genetics he may outlive me. My point is there are many things people die from besides cigarrettes and there are worse things to do. So your not an addict? Millions are addicted to what doctors prescribe daily, is it right? Who knows? So you are not addicted to something slowly killing you, but who knows maybe you will die fast. Meth and heroin are far worse than any legal drug.
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05/18/2005, 05:18 PM
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05/18/2005, 05:18 PM
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what my husband is trying to say is that HE wouldn't classify ciggs a drug for the simple fact that they dont alter your mind. At least that's the point I think he's trying to get across. Yes there are varying degrees of classifacation when it comes to drugs. I personally agree that cigs are a drug for the simple fact that they are addictive(im gonna have a hell of time when he reads this then comes home). We both smoke, and we both share this screen name, i'll always sign my posts with Bree though so don't snap at me for something he says. He can be a real big smart as, especially when he's at work(which he is now).
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05/18/2005, 05:22 PM
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05/18/2005, 05:25 PM
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O.k., Beerguy, I just thought that people might come here for meth info and get put off by the other stuff. I was an addiction counselor in a past life, I know that all of these are addictions, just thought it would be easier to zoom in on one. But I get your point the lounge is more free form.
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05/18/2005, 05:33 PM
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Even today, if I were to smoke a cig(I don't smoke by the way), it would make me a little light headed and dizzy. It's all about tolerance. You've built up a tolerance for nicotine. To me, the affect of nicotine MUCH more noticeable. Now, I tend to drink more than a couple beers a day, and I bet my tolerance it way higher then a lot of people, so I don't notice the first couple of beers. I could also say that beer is not mind altering, or effect my physical abilities, but I know better. Alcohol is a drug and so are cigarettes. Dan
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05/18/2005, 05:40 PM
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Sex is a drug, causes all sorts of chemical changes and i am proudly an addict. I am also addicted to adrenaline, if it has a motor i will ride it or drive it. I am hooked on beer too i just love it i have 3 ever night after work. I am also hooked on reefs thousands of dollars prove that.
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05/18/2005, 07:20 PM
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What I do not understand is; Why are the making pseudoephedrine literally over the counter only? Why is it suddenly illegal for me to pick up a small package of pseudoephedrine at the gas station down the street if I have a head cold? Can’t the clerk tell the difference between someone with the sniffles and someone buying 3,000 pills? I mean come on; I don’t think the meth manufacturers were buying one package of sinus pills at every corner store all day long.
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05/18/2005, 08:37 PM
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Actually they were, they would drive all over oregon to small stores and buy 1 or 2 packs at a time. Cooks pay tweakers for them. I am glad it is all behind the counter!
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05/18/2005, 08:55 PM
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Kris, I don't know if you are trying to convince yourself or us.
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05/18/2005, 09:05 PM
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I have to agree (as a smoker), that tobacco is both a drug, and addictive. I will also agree that it is "mind altering", but the difference is that the mind altering is something that happens when you are trying to rid yourself of the addiction, not an effect of smoking etc. Whereas Meth has the effect when actually being used, and that is the significant difference.
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05/18/2005, 09:07 PM
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Mike, please quit for your fellow Loungers
We want you around for a long time
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05/18/2005, 09:15 PM
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The biggest incentive I have to quit, is when my 6 year old asks me why I smoke, "you know its a stupid thing to do daddy, and you smell bad", I think he is winning 
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05/18/2005, 10:14 PM
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Your six year old was the first thought in my mind when I posted. Do it for him Dad
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05/18/2005, 10:47 PM
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For what its worth, we have a couple of oral surgeons and patholgists here at our hospital that are championing the use of smokeless oral tobacco over cigarettes. There are some products out there that are like nicotene tic tacs and disolve in your mouth. Its the smoking of cigarettes that makes them dangerous. Not many people realize that smoking puts you at greater risk for oral cancers than do chewing tobacco or dip.
I think people have to realize that the way society views something is not representative of its danger. The two biggest killers today are lung cancer and heart disease, both of which major risk factors are smoking. Just because its legal doesn't make it safe. Aspirin would probably not pass FDA requirements for an over the counter drug today, but its established itself in our society. It causes lots of problems with bleeding ulcers. Alcohol and tobacco are ancient traditions in our society, so its not going to become illegal anytime soon, but it doesn't make it any safer.
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05/18/2005, 10:51 PM
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Brian,
I'm not trying to convience anyone. To each his own the only reason I have been debating stopping is I think of how 3 bucks a day could go a long way tword the 150g of my dreams..lol... I already told bree If she would quit I would too....thats 6 bucks a day....WOW....180 bucks a month to kill ourselves......But back to the drugs enough of the Truth campaign. |
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05/19/2005, 05:48 AM
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I'd have to say that smoking is quite gross... I've never really been a smoker, I have tried it when I was a teen... I used to believe that if I smoked, it would cover up the beer smell
 ... My mom told me a while back that it didn't work, she could always tell ... My mom, 3 of my brothers and both of my sister's smoke, my dad smoked for many, many years then he quit  ... When my oldest daughter goes to my mom's house she comes home and has to change her clothes b/c she can't stand the smell of smoke on her, and I love it!!! I doubt that my children will smoke, hopefully we've shown them that it's just not healthy, and it does horrible things to your body... I am not saying that my children wouldn't ever attempt it, I'm just saying that I hope they don't... Your'e right about the $$$ that's just crazy, here we are griping about the cost of Gas, and we pretty much need this... Although I guess people pretty much need there smokes too... Why not atleast try to quit, your food will taste better, you and your home/car won't smell, and your body will love you forever ...TheBimbo 
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