One of the best images I have got.

[Andrew]

One of the best in my collection.

[Andrew]

One more,

[BLKTANG]

Nice stuff,showoff.

[Andrew]

Thanks. Without photoshop I don't know where I would be.

org....

[aural]

as much as i love photoshop, i personally dont think that you should COMPLETELY alter the look of your images in post production.

I mean you might as well not take a photograph - just create something completely CG. It just kind of takes away from the art of photography.

[redpyro]

Originally posted by aural
as much as i love photoshop, i personally dont think that you should COMPLETELY alter the look of your images in post production.

I mean you might as well not take a photograph - just create something completely CG. It just kind of takes away from the art of photography.

RIGHT ON BROTHER


when i was looking for my new camera i would compare images taken by different camera....people who use photoshop to alter their images should be a shamed of themselves...thats not an art, its something you do when you have 2093 hours to waist of your life. if you have that kind of time go outside learn to use a camera. with a $200 camera i learn to use correctly i could take awesome pics...its an art, skill that you need to learn.

[Micki]

And I have to say, Red has learned the art quite well. If you get the chance to see his pic do it. They are awesome and untouched! Good Job Red!

[BrianD]

Redpyro and Micki,

You continually complain about this 14 year old kid, yet you follow him around like lost puppies. Stay out of his threads. After all, you have the dozen or so threads about him on your own board to keep your occupied.

I normally would give private warnings, but I am making an exception.

[Micki]

I don't think either of us has said anything inappropriate at all. Red was obviously quoting aural and I was suggesting for anyone to look at Reds pictures just as I have suggested on other boards and will continue to sugges. I think something could be learned from Reds web site about photography and the how too's and how not too's. I agree with what aural and red have both said.

If I wanted to follow this kid around and make comments to his posts I'm sure I would be making a lot more comments than just this one. Believe it or not I do not hunt for his threads. I don't complain about him any more either, he is very well protected. People will have to judge for themselves what is said and true or not. I'm done with it. This one came up and I responded period! I have done nothing wrong.

[aberg12012]

Uh Oh... this is what I call a loaded thread. Post processing is part of digital photography. The problem is, where do you draw the line? You do realize that most of what we do in post processing, the camera normally decides on it's own? The contrast, sharpening, color balance, tonal curve, and everything else... how is it wrong that we, as an artist, want to have controll over it instead of allowing the camera to do it for us though the presets? Also... do you know that just about every action in Photoshop can be done with film in a photo lab? Most people don't realize, what we do in digital photography is nothing new. The only difference, is it's done in a digital dark room. How is it not artstic, to combine 2 images, one exposed for the sky, one for the foreground... to give an image more dynamic detail? Isn't this what photography should be about... trying to capture the true beauty of what we see with our own two eyes? It's painting with light, and and the painter has the right to use what ever creative affects he/she desires. If it's not your own personal preference... thats totally normal. But don't do the blame game, just because it's not to your liking.

All I see in Andrew's touch ups... is a little color balance, and contrast enhancement. And I like it... they are much more artistically appealing to me than the orriginals. Infact, they may even be more accurate colorwise too... the orriginals look a little "washed out" and possibly not anywhere close to accurate colors, due to the difficult lighting that our tank lights give off.

[BrianD]

"Protector"? Yes, I suppose so. After reading the multiple threads on your site devoted to him, along with the posts there encouraging your members to comment on his threads here, it seems like someone needs to look out for a 14 year old kid that a group of adults have some unusual obsession with.

And yes, I believe multiple threads commenting on his photoshop skills, posts about his tank, and anything and everything else he does as "obsessing". Do a quick count of your off-topic forum and let us all know how many threads are devoted to him.

Strange, isn't it?

[aberg12012]

Also... personally I DON'T like the border around the touched photos. Alot of people like a border... alot don't. That dosn't mean I should flame him for choosing to use a border. Just because some one enjoys a little photoshop creativaty dosn't mean he/she deserves to be discredited and burned at the steak. If it's not your thang... it's not YOUR thing and leave it at that. Everyone needs to remember it is art... and it's always in the eye of the beholder.

[beerguy]

aberg12012 - has it nailed.

I've got some friends that make a substantial living as video graphic artists. I'm in complete agreement that "photoshopping a picture" and then trying to pass if off as un-retouched is dishonest. Since he produced, without prompting, both the original and the modified image I don't see what the problem is.

I posted a couple of non-reef related shots in this forum last week that I had obviously enhanced asking for opinions. Why didn't you jump on me for using Photoshop Red?

[redpyro]

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[aberg12012]

AND ONE MORE THING...

I just read Brian's posts, and just realized that Andrew is 14? WOW!!!

First off... Thanks Brian. I have no idea who Andrew is, (also didn't know he was only 14) but I was fairly angry when I saw two people ganging up one trying to display thier art, because he took some simple creative measures in PS. It's personal preference... not a criminal act. I can't believe some one that calls them self a photographer, not to mention an artist, would say something so contradictory. To each his/her own...


Second... Andrew, for only being 14 your doing just fine. Wish I was taking photos like that when I was 14! I didn't even have a camera then. And no, that wasn't before camera's were invented, either. Keep posting your creations, and only concern yourself with those who give *constructive* critisism. Ignore the rest.

Alan

[redpyro]

you are right, its personal preference it was wrong of me to questions someones artistic motive

[aberg12012]

Originally posted by redpyro
i guess i just long for the days of the guy and his camera taking pics and out of a weeks work might have gotten one or 2 good shots....

now adays anyone can get 5/7 shots to look good with a little extra work

Ever heard of the "extra work" Ansel Adams put into his photos? Did you ever consider that this is where most of the actions in PS come from... his work?

[redpyro]

i already said you were right....what else do you want?

[Andrew]

... To get back on topic. I enjoy photoshopping pictures. I don't have the best camera so I use a photoshop to bring out the true color. I restore and photoshop pictures for a local camera store and have been learning more and more with my photoshop.

[ohioreef]

Originally posted by aberg12012
... not a criminal act.

Actually, it could be. As a LEO, where do you draw the line if someone is altering a picture that is/could be evidence?!? I realize that that is not what we are talking about here, but just food for thought.

Flame away, I can take it!!!!!

[Andrew]

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[redpyro]

exactly to get back on topic....how about the mods just remove the whole thing except the stuff related to the orginal post, so we can all move on here

[aberg12012]

Sorry red... I'm natorious for taking too long to post. I take so long to type my reply, that by the time I send it, there is 10 other replies. I'll take a pill and stop contradicting myself by flaming you back. Some times I just gett a little too worked up over age old debates such as this. Well, "age old" in terms of digital anyways.

[redpyro]

i know technology is so great, yet it causes such problems...look at people who "sample" in the music industry and the dowloading issues, as to who actually owns the rights evne after you purchase a copy....lots of problems

[Andrew]

So anyone got an suggestions for me when taking pictures? Fuji FinePix E500