any cinci guys out there?

[JohnL]

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[Fusch13]

yeah....i would make it my showpiece also.....wonder how Kurts corals are coloring up...id love to see some picture of that Garf Purple Bonsai..i must say the ORA green birdnest will probably become my favorite in my tank, the color is intense....

[Fusch13]

Haha...once again guys, we have split!

[30mini]

Another split!! WOW

[30mini]

The Birdsnest is very nice!!! Mine has some intense greens, thats for sure!

[slovan]

Wow! Congrats Ryan! :) I had something typed up and then it said the thread has been closed. I tried to go back to see if I could resend the post but to no avail. Oh well, gotta run. The Hawkeyes are playing the Illinois. Should be a fun game to watch.

[Fusch13]

Yeah samer here, but i will probably grow to like the bali when the colors come out in it...

[Fusch13]

Yeah, have a good one!

[30mini]

Later... I'm out too! Have a good one all!!

[Fusch13]

same deal....see everyone tomorrow or on monday!

[Kurt03]

Hey, im alive :D
Everything seems good and has polpys out except the ora blue tort, guess it just needs some more time.
Heres some pics of right after acclimating them and getting them in.
Lights arnt on yet for pics today.

Purple/Blue cap
Thanks ryan, this is a really cool cap.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/prplecap.jpg

ORA rose mille
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/orarosemillie.jpg

ORA blue tort
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/orabluetort.jpg

And the Garf Purple Bonsai
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/garfprplbonsai.jpg

Thanks again sone!

[Kurt03]

lol you all must have posted you were leaving when i was adding the pics.

edit
I missed the pic of garf bonsai. It was a chip in the bottom of the bag i found last night so i glued it on a plug.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/garfbonsaichip.jpg

[Kurt03]

Nice pics chris, there looking good. Cant wait to see them when they all get settled in.

[Fusch13]

Nice pics Kurt, the ORA tort has its polyps out just not fully exteneded, you can see them in your pic! We forgot to take a picture of my tank after we got rocks in, ill take some tonight when i get in!

[slovan]

Hey Kurt,
I think I was talking about Chris' corals when you asked me about lighting. All your corals are medium to lower light corals. You can put the two ORA corals up higher if you had to but keep the bonsai in moderate to lower light. Otherwise it'll lighten up on you.

[Fusch13]

Hey sone, how about my corals, where should i place the Bali tricolor? Validia? And Birdnest!

[doowain9999]

Hey Kurt, did you hear from the guy on the 125s?

[Kurt03]

All i know on the 125's is im 8th in line. He said he would call me back. Havent heard anything yet.

[slovan]

Hey Ryan,
I think your corals will be fine just about anywhere. I have always had the valida up high and have not had any problems. The birdsnest can be anywhere you have room. If I had to guess, I would say moderate to lower lighting. The Bali tri-color has been kept in moderate lighting and has done well. Haven't been daring enough to move it anywhere else.

[Kurt03]

Hey ryan, i think some of the pics came out ok that i took of your tank. Do you want me to post them here or email them to you or something?

[Kurt03]

sone, someones asking where i got the frags. would you like me to post that i got them from you? or just pm the guy? lol idk how many pms your going to get. Heres the thread if you want to.
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8205610#post8205610

[slovan]

Thanks for the kind words and free pub Kurt. Unfortunately I don't have anymore of the Garf's purple bonsai left for sale. Actually have a waiting list for it. :) I just wish I had more than one mother colony!

[Kurt03]

no problem, the least i could do. Thanks again for the garf bonsai. I know i almost didnt get it lol
I gave them your name LOL let me know how many pms you get. How long of a waiting list do you have?

[Fusch13]

email them to me, that way i can put them into my photobucket album

[slovan]

I only have 5 people on it and that's about all I can really frag about every 3 months. It's not a fast grower hence the low distribution of the coral. I'll have to creat a few more colonies so they'll always be available. Have you seen what Atlantis Aquarium wants for the frag? Check out the size too. Yikes! Bonsai frag (http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/frags2.html) So what do you have Kurt? A $200 frag? :D

[Kurt03]

ok sone, did i ever tell you I LOVE YOU MAN lol, in a non gay way of course ;)

The blue tort is putting polyps out alot better now. It was making me nervous this morning.

I will send the pics in a min ryan, what size would you like them?

[Fusch13]

Haha thats hilarious, also Sone we tool one of there picks of this birdnest i love and you can tell theyve used some kind photo editor....dont know if this is the case on all there stuff but kinda made me go, ok dont know if i would order from them!

[Fusch13]

whatever...just not so big i cant download them..lol I think i got all my pvc coming, but of course i forget another 3/4 tee for after i tee off the mainline, im going to go two outlets instead of the one i have!

[slovan]

Hey Kurt, is this supposed to be like a Bud Light commercial? :D I'm glad your corals are doing well. The ORA blue tort grows fairly quickly so you should have a mini colony within a year if your parameters are good.

[Kurt03]

yea, that would prob be best. What return pump do you have?

[Kurt03]

Was just wondering, just how slow of a grower is the garf bonsai? seems like with the limited amount ppl are selling it must grow pretty slow.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8205762#post8205762 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
Haha thats hilarious, also Sone we tool one of there picks of this birdnest i love and you can tell theyve used some kind photo editor....dont know if this is the case on all there stuff but kinda made me go, ok dont know if i would order from them!

Atlantis have some of the nicest corals online. I'm sure if the pictures were ever altered, they might have been done to reflect the actual color of the coral. Sometimes it's just hard to capture the true colors. That's why you always read on here that pics doesn't do it justice when people talk about corals.

I've bought several things from them and wouldn't hesitate to do so again. Albeit a little pricey but you do get quality stuff from them. Nice people to deal with also.

[slovan]

The bonsai took about 1 1/2 years to grow out before I started fragging it. I could've done it sooner but wanted it to grow out more.

[Kurt03]

what size peice did you start with? And how big is the colony now?

[Kurt03]

actinic+ lights just came on. Few more pics.
Blue torts polyps are out much better!
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/orabluetortactinic.jpg

Greenslimer ive had, just ended up with a good shot.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/greenactinic.jpg

Garf bonsai. No idea how it came out like this but i like it.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/kurt03/garfprplbonsaiactinic.jpg

[slovan]

Those are nice PE shots. :) The bonsai will become one of your favorite corals for sure. How could you not like it?

[doowain9999]

Hey Chris,
I was reading around on wetwebmedia.com and they are saying that for my size tank, I should do 2 - 1" drains. If I remember correctly, the overflow box had two prefilters, that sat on top of two flex hoses, that ran separately to the sump. Does that mean we should have done 2 drains? LOL.

[Kurt03]

What size tank is it? Sorry i forget what you said it was.

[doowain9999]

72 gallon

[Kurt03]

a 1 inch drain can flow 600gph i think. So it all depends on how much you want going to your sump. Theres a drain calculator on the main page here.
Heres a link to it
http://reefcentral.com/calc/drain.php

[doowain9999]

Cool. Thanks.

The guys there say that although it's rated at 600gph, it realistically flows at half that, depending upon how many 90s, 45s, or how wide open you have it. If you slow it down (?) and don't run it at maximum, it's quieter and safer too?

[30mini]

Well, technically it can be quiter, but mine is almost silent and I have it set up with a durso on the outside! We can do another one anytime you want! I could do one on Monday night if you wanted to!! Let me know, and we can set something up

[30mini]

You don't want to restrict drains. That's a no, no, and trouble waiting to happen!! You only restrict returns!!!

[doowain9999]

I just got home with the bulkheads (I bought two just in case) and I put it in. I thought it would be a tighter fit. There is probably a 1/4 inch between the threads and the perimeter of the hole before you twist it down and seal it. Is this normal?

I think we may want to do another one. How do you want to go about it on Monday? Do you want me to stop by your place? I work in Tri County and get off at 4.

[Fusch13]

I am plumbing....the elbows will be sitting a bit above the tank, couldnt get low enough to cut it....

[Fusch13]

Here are some Pictures, which Kurt helped me with!
Enjoy!

http://[85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/FuschsBlues-1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/Scolymia.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/ROSEMILLE2.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/ROSEMILLE.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/RBTAYESITSREALKURT.jpg

[Fusch13]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/CLOSE-UPBRAIN.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/BluepolypedPurpleCap.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k58/Fusch13/BEFORETANKSHOT.jpg

[30mini]

Yea, Dewain, that is normal! The gasket is what seals it!! The bulkhead will be okay when you fill it up!
I don't get off until 5... so I'm not sure what you want to do about that! I won't be home until around 5:30, and that's the earliest I would be able to do anything. If you want to wait for the weekend, I would be able to come out to your house and do it that way. Which, may be a little better, b/c then I could help with plumbing if you wanted!

[Kurt03]

ryan, i like the anemone pic. Idk why the background ended up black like that but it looks cool. Id be willing to help take a look at your calcium reactor if you like. Im pretty good about taking things apart and putting them back together. Idk much about them but i can at least try. And yes i know its real :P i was just saying it was soooo colorfull, i like it!
Let me know about the calcium reactor, i need to come over and look at that rock anyways. What day is best for you?

[Fusch13]

well, today im free all day...sunday....look at rock. its all yours ...lol

[doowain9999]

WHO DEY!!! What a game...man I love TJ and Madieu. And how good is Jonathan Joseph gonna be. WOW.

Chris, I gotta take the pup back to the vet tomorrow for his checkup. I should be done about 5 or 5:30. I could run the aquarium to your house afterwards. It's not a big deal! I'm gonna try to get the water in there this week, so I can get that cycle going. YOU HAVE ME WAY TOO EXCITED after telling me that it'd be ok to get a porky. I ran the idea of the tank in the wall by the wife and she thinks it's awesome and is all for it. Now I just gotta find a good deal!

[Fusch13]

Heck yeah..nail biter, but the Ball-hogs came through...

[30mini]

Tragedy has struck!! Came home from work today, and saw that ALL of my new coral is totally white!! Bleached! Was perfect when I left for work this morning... came home... gone!! WHAT THE F*CK Happened?? I am totally beside myself, that all of that beautiful coral is dead!!!

[30mini]

What kills me, is that ALL of my other corals are fine! Zoo's are opened up beautifully, and the shrooms are open great too! But the SPS that I have... GONE? Even that Cap you gave me Ryan is gone!! WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG HERE??? Temp is fine, params are normal, and salinity is perfect! WHAT THE???

[30mini]

All of this happened in less than 8 hours! Everything was perfect this morning... great PE... then something happened! What, I don't know!!!

[slovan]

Sorry to hear Chris. :( Keep us posted if you find out what went wrong. Do you run any additional equipment like a calcium reactor, kalk reactor or anything that might've overdosed something?

[30mini]

No, nothing! I add everything myself, and even do 3 waterchanges a month!! The only thing that I have running is my sump, fuge, and skimmer!! The skimmer is producing good skimmate, the fuge is running rampant with the cheato and pods, but why did the SPS die??? This makes no sense to me at all!! I have a mag 5 running almost fully open, so I'm getting close to 20x turnover in my tank! You saw the PE that I had yesterday! It was the same this morning! Now that I'm home... skeletons! I am sooo mad right now I could throw this tank out the window!!!

[30mini]

I really hope I'm not having a tank crash! That would really kill me!!! I don't see where I don't have enough light for them... that doesnt make sense. My temp hovers around 80 at all times... and my nitrates, nitrites, and ammonia are all at 0!!! My skimmer does a great job, and is constantlyrunning, and the cheato I have is running rampant!! I top off almost every other day with less than a gallon of water... granted it's not RO, but it's aged tap with conditioners in it! What am I doing wrong???

[slovan]

Wow, this one stumps me also. Not sure what it could be if you say all the parameters are fine, your tank temperature feels normal. Lighting shouldn't be an issue since you have T5's running.

What are all the paramters that you test for? Do you check for alkalinity?

[30mini]

I want to hit my head against a wall right now! This is just the worst thing to happen in my tank since I started it!!! I mean, I have taken on corals that were close to dead, and brought them back to health, and took them back to jacks and sold them for cheaper than before... but to have HEALTHY corals, beautiful corals, having doing great in the morning, and dead in the afternoon is something else! Just kill menow... put me out of my misery!!

[Kurt03]

Wow sorry to hear that chris. You had that cap for a while right? Im guessing they RTN'd for some reason? What is everything testing at right now? If you have tests at home test there and take some to work also and test it.

[30mini]

I tested for everything! Alk, Ph, temp, trites, trates, even Calcium! I'm running a 175 W Halide, Kurt has the t-5's! It's a 14K. I don't have any actinic supplement! I love the lighting, and don't really want to get rid of it! The only thing I want to do is raise it up a little so I can get under there and work on corals. It's about 10" above the water now, butwould make it closer to 15 if I had to. Man this sucks!!

[30mini]

Everything has been stable! Nothing has swung at all. My zoa's are great!!

[30mini]

I did that this morning... that's where I'm telling you all my params! My calcium was even at 450! I don't understand this! Something is up, and I don't know what it is!

[Kurt03]

I dont think its the lighting as the blue cap would have bleached a while ago i would think.

[Kurt03]

Did you clean your hands/arm when you put the frags in? Could have had something on them.

[Kurt03]

The mantis couldnt have anything to do with it could he?

[Fusch13]

Did walter take a bite into a ZOO.....could be toxic, but that would effect the other zoo's or would it? Hmm...kinda puzzled myself...Chris when you figure it out, let me know, i have the second piece of birdnest i can get you, i can also frag some more of the blue polyp, not a big thing.....also i can get you one thing of the valida, and you know how precious that is to me! Let me know!

[30mini]

That is my last thought on what could have happened. He likes to roam, and could have been hard on the corals. He did knock over the Tenius and the other two that weren't glued down. I always make sure I have clean hands before putting my hand into any tank! My only thought is what you said Kurt.... Walter. I dont know... I am just beside myself, and don't really know for sure! It could have been the rock though too... just was out of water for too long, and something happened! Ryan, how is all your stuff?? You have more rock in yours than in mine

[Kurt03]

How long was the rock out of water? I thought it was in buckets or something. Was there maybe a sponge on one of the rocks? I think some of them can die if they touch air for even a short time. I will prob have a green digi that we could test your tank with a piece of it before you put something else in it.
Ryan you gave me two pieces of that blue cap so i can give one to chris unless you want to chip a piece off yours.

[doowain9999]

I took the rock out of the main tank on Sunday and put it immediately into that rubbermaid tub. I put the water from the tank in with it and two jets to circulate the water. I drained the water from it on Friday and headed straight for Chris's house. It was out of the water maybe 45 minutes if you include the time it took to take it inside and get it into Ryan's aquarium. I don't know how long it was before you got your rock in your tank, but it was at least 3 hours if you take the 35 minutes it took to drive to Ryan's and add on the time we were there. (I got there at 6:40 and we left at about 9:15 I think.) There weren't any sponges on the rock that I know of. I mean, some of that rock hadn't even been in her tank long enough to get coralline.

This is really strange man. If it were the rock, why wouldn't the rest of your corals died as well?

[Fusch13]

Yeah, i would have to say it isnt the rock, if your tank went into cycle because of the rock, all your coral would be on a downhill spiral, just not sps! Plus, all my sps are doing well!

[Fusch13]

Dang it Odell, what is the boys problem, its time to grow the f##k up!

[30mini]

Yea, I don't think it was the rock either... I'm just trying not to blame Walter, you know?? I love the guy, and he just doesn't like the SPS corals!! He is out roaming a lot at night, and I know that I saw him up by the SPS, and he knocked it over too. I know that he stressed it out a lot, and that's probably what caused it to go downhill!! Kurt, let me get rid of Walter before we try anything else in there!! When he is gone, I'm going totally revamp my tank, and make it look a lot nicer!!! Now, anyone want a mantis?

[Fusch13]

haha.....not me....like my sps too much! I cant think of anything else which would cause that!

[Fusch13]

Post it on here, and also cincyreef

[30mini]

The only problem is that he has shell disease, and may not last long!

[Fusch13]

oh ok....hmm, dont know then!

[30mini]

I'm gonna try though! Just posted on Cincyreef!

[Fusch13]

of course wife is in her lovely monday morning mood!

[30mini]

Yea, mine was in that mood yesterday!

[Fusch13]

Yeah i let her rant, and not say anything...not worth the fight!

[30mini]

Heard that!! I do the same thing... just say something after she is done to try and defend myself a little... works well, and she is usually purring like a kitten in my lap in no time ;)

[Fusch13]

haha, i tried that in beginning, but found its just better to let her rant, and release!

[30mini]

Yea, I may end up doing that soon too... it's getting hard to defend myself sometimes!!

[Fusch13]

yeah i know....i mean damn i clean the whole house yesterday, do laundry, put it away , and god forbid if one of the kids socks is in another drawer.....oh well, onto my next gripe...Odell Thruman...moron!

[30mini]

HAHA! You put a sock in the wrong drawer and she's mad? Well, she is pregnant... so, it's understandable.
Yes, Odell is a moron, but having 2 beers can let you fail that test! They have the limit soo low now, that 1 can cause it for the lightest of people!

[Fusch13]

they said he was on the high scale of failing!

[Fusch13]

and what was he doing driving! DUH!

[30mini]

well... look at huggins! so was he, and what did he get?

[Fusch13]

fired from UC..lol

[30mini]

lol!! Okay, bad example... Chris Henry then, being on Probation and all, and he still plays!!

[Fusch13]

he will get suppended this season, if not next...its coming..

[Fusch13]

i mean i hope he's coming back, would be a nice addition, to an already good linebacker core...hellow Brian Simmons, where have you been..lol

[30mini]

Yea, that is one thing the bengals have... depth! marvin has done a great job and recruiting some really good guys!

[doowain9999]

So, are you up to drilling today Chris? I'll understand if you don't feel like dealing with anything.

Just let me know.

[30mini]

I think it may need to wait till Friday if you can wait that long! I just need some time to figure out what went wrong in my tank, and run some tests to make sure! I'll definately be up on Friday though!! And then we can maybe do some plumbing too if you have the bulkheads and such!
Did you get that bulkhead on fine Dewain? It should have been drilled right at the right level!

[doowain9999]

Yeah, it was perfect. I didn't have to cut that wood strip like you thought I might.

I can't do it Friday. I'm leaving after work for Gatlinburg. I got a chalet for our anniversary which is Sunday! If the cabin's a rockin' don't come a knockin'!!

[30mini]

haha! Heard that one man! Then it may have to wait till next monday if it can! I'm just beside myself about this coral, and I really want to figure out what happened!

[doowain9999]

If you wouldn't be opposed to me borrowing the bit, I could drop by and pick it up whenever. Maybe Tuesday when I stop by Jack's to get the crushed coral? If you don't want to loan it out or you think I might bust my aquarium :) , I understand. I did install tile throughout my house, so I'm at least a little bit handy. LOL.

[30mini]

Yea, I can bring the bit if you want to try! Just be carefull, don't apply pressure, and have a constant waterflow going through it! I will tell you this, when you start, make a small grinding mark at an angle so you get a groove to set the bit down in. Let the drill do the work, you only need to hold it upright and straight!

[Kurt03]

Have you guys seen the salt study preliminary results from eric borneman? Its not completely done but theres posts about the data that is done so far. Check it out! You can tell a big diffrence just by looking at the seperate tanks, i cant wait to see the actual data.
ReefCentral post
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=936493
The actual MARSH Forum
http://www.marshreef.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=20

Thread with tank pictures using the diffrent salt. Really interesting.
http://www.marshreef.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12348&sid=c9d7de454e974c7b7b78a4ad6cac4b39

[30mini]

Pretty interesting! I may have to try some Red Sea b/c that's what we have at the store. I'll try it out and give you guys some results. Ryan, I know you tried it, but I think I may give it a shot only b/c I can get it for farily cheap, and we don't have any RC at the store right now. Gonna do some major w/c's over the next couple of days! I'll be keeping your bucket if you don't mind for a while. That will help me with some of my W/C's, b/c I'll mix two buckets of water, and do a larger change!

[Kurt03]

How much is redsea there? I thought it was pretty surprising that IO was one of the lowest ones. Im ordering some salifert test kits soon, anyone need any?

[30mini]

I'm not positive, but I think it is around the same as IO from what I remember. The bags aren't as big, and I'm not sure we get buckets of it. I'll check tomorrow when I go in though

[Kurt03]

Well if you get it you will have to test everything in it mixed to 1.026 and i can test some normal IO and ryan can test reefcrystals if he has some left.

[30mini]

Yea, I'll do that! I need to do some major revamping at the moment! Maybe a change in salt will help? I don't really know though!

[Kurt03]

What salt are you using?

[30mini]

Reef Crystals

[30mini]

I may have someone taking Walter if her peacock doesn't make it! I may be getting some corals in trade for him! This will be good, b/c then I'll be able to do some in tank work without him trying to kill my hand! It will also give me more room for scaping and such!

[Fusch13]

thats cool, Chris, sorry wifes freaking out today!

[30mini]

Yea, it's all good!

[Kurt03]

Have you tested your mag before chris? Im not sure but i think that can cause coral bleaching and IO is low in it to begin with (i think)

[30mini]

How could my mag cause bleaching? You and Ryan both have mag pumps, and don't have anything like that at all

[Kurt03]

i meant magnesium. Sorry didnt feel like typing it out :)

[30mini]

Ahhh... haven't checked for that! You do make a good point on that, but why would the cap be fine, and then I add the rock, and new coral... and then BANG, bleached?

[doowain9999]

Hey Chris, is there any chance that I could stop by tonight and pick up the bit? After I take the pup to the vet, I'm gonna go get the plumbing. The wife won't be home tonight, so if I could knock this out tonight, it'd be perfect.

[Kurt03]

idk, maybe that just nudged it over the edge? Did the cap look ok before this? Did it lighten up at all? How long was it in the tank?

[30mini]

Sure! Where is your vet at?? I'm in fairfield, close to Bypass 4

[30mini]

The cap was in the tank for about 2 weeks prior. It did lighten up before, but nothing drastic! When I got it, it wasn't fully colored to what Ryan's mother colony looked like. I think b/c it was at the bottom for a while. I'm just totally stumped on this whole thing!

[Kurt03]

could you see any growth on it? Problem there is switching tanks the cap was in then 2weeks it prob wouldn't have grown much either way.
Test your magnesium and let us know what its at. Just throwing ideas out there to try and help you find the problem.

[30mini]

Yea, I may take a water sample up to work on Tuesday and check my levels for everything then!

[30mini]

The cap didn't grow at all... but in 2 weeks, I didn't really expect it to!

[Kurt03]

yea, especially just being moved.

[doowain9999]

Yeah, that's perfect man! I'm going to the Home Depot on the bypass.

[30mini]

Yea! It's just odd for a coral to be fine for over 24 hrs, have great PE, then less than 8 hours later, gone! Totally bleached... not an ounce of color on it!!

[30mini]

Yea, you would have to come down to where the Bypass meets Rt. 4, and then go across to Ross Rd, and go up and I'm in the complex on the right side

[doowain9999]

That works. What time should I stop by and what's the address?

[30mini]

I get home around 5:30, so really anytime after that is fine. The address is 15 Brittany Ln., 45014. It's real easy to get to my place from bypass 4!

[doowain9999]

Good deal. I'll be there as soon as I can.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8217118#post8217118 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Yea! It's just odd for a coral to be fine for over 24 hrs, have great PE, then less than 8 hours later, gone! Totally bleached... not an ounce of color on it!!

Hey Chris,
Are your SPS corals a total loss? What all did you have?

[30mini]

Yea, a total loss :( I had the Tenius, Birdsnest, Green Spongodes, and the blue porites

[30mini]

and the cap from Ryan. My zoas are fine... at least as of this morning they were... and last night... but I'll see when I get home too

[slovan]

Sounds more like they rtn'd on you. When a coral bleaches, there's a good chance that it'll bounce back but not when they rtn on you.

Anyway I have all those corals in my tank if they survive the tank transfer I did this past weekend. If you ever want to try again, I'll have them and will help you with what I can. It sucks to lose your corals and would hate to see you throw your tank out the window. :lol:

[30mini]

Yea, I think that is what they did. I have seen a slow bleaching before, and have even saved corals from my job that were bleaching and on the way out! I would love to have some more corals from you, but I want to get rid of walter, revamp my tank to get some better aquascaping, and maybe raise up the lighting a little and add more fans to the canopy. I have a little work ahead of me, and will let you know when I'm ready to get some more from you!!

[30mini]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8217458#post8217458 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slovan
would hate to see you throw your tank out the window. :lol:
If only you knew how close I was to pushing it out the window it sits near!:mad2:

[lwalcott]

Yea it sounds like they RTN'ed on you. This can happen without any warning. It was probably from adding the rock and the frags so close together. All it takes is a change of anything and it can happen. I would let things settle down for a few weeks and then try some digitata or something cheap and see how they do before adding anything expensive.

[30mini]

Yea, Thanks lonnie! I was planning on getting rid of Watler at some point soon, and making way for a nice reef tank! It's nice how it is now, but I need some good cleaning to be done on the inside! I'll have to let things settle down, then get something cheap, or free from work that is almost dead and try to bring back to life!

[Kurt03]

I can give you a small frag of a digi if you want. I have two that are growing pretty fast. One real light green/yellowish and one purple one. I will frag the green one for you so you can try it after your tank settles. It would be a good cheap way to test the tank.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8217468#post8217468 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
I want to get rid of walter, revamp my tank to get some better aquascaping, and maybe raise up the lighting a little and add more fans to the canopy.

Good to hear Chris. I'm glad you want to get right back up and try it again. It's a lot of work but think of it as an opportunity to upgrade or do things that you didn't do the first time around.

I just did my big tank transfer this past weekend and it was quite a chore! I got it done but I still have to tear down the 120 and clean it. It's been a lot of work but I hope it's worth it in the end. Here's a couple pics I took yesterday.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/slovan1/FTSFront.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/slovan1/FTSAngle.jpg

[30mini]

WOW!! That is VERY nice man! I love it!! Wish I had a tank that big!! I would try my best at it just like you have it now! Love the two Islands!! really adds to the the tank!
I am going to "start over" but not really! My levels are excellent, and I have great quality... the only thing is the algea that I have growing on the rocks. B/c I can't keep snails or crabs, it gets pretty bad. I don't have a detritus problem b/c of all the bristleworms, and the pods i have... So, maybe when everything is done, and walter is gone, I'll have a tank that is at least 10% as nice as yours!

[doowain9999]

2 holes down....and the tank is still intact. Gonna have to touch up the blue on the back now, but that I can deal with! Thanks Chris.

Got the plumbing at Home Depot. Talked to the guy in plumbing for a while about tanks. He has a 265 with sharks and rays, a 125 reef, and a 65 hex seahorse tank. Unreal.

[Kurt03]

looking good sone, looking for frags?

[slovan]

Thanks for the compliments guys. Our tank takes a lot of time and money no matter how big are small they are. I'm just glad that we all enjoy it as much as we do. :)

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8220643#post8220643 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kurt03
looking good sone, looking for frags?

Hi Kurt,
I'm always looking for frags! Unfortunately I need to be more selective and let the ones I have grow out some. I could've sworn everything looked packed in the 120. Now everything looks so small. Oh well, give a year and it'll grow in.

[30mini]

Good to know you didnt break the tank Dewain!! Dry fit your plumbing before you glue! Trust me on that one man!!

[30mini]

Hey Sone, I may have some Eagle Eye frags soon! You want any of those? I even have some green skirts w/silver centers doing excellent too!! Let me know if you want any! I'll send'em your way after I get Kurt and Ryan taken care of!!

[slovan]

No problem Chris. Do you have any pics of the eagle eyes? There's so many varieties out there so I just have to find one that I like. If you don't have any pics, I'm sure Kurt could take some nice ones. He did the other day. I didn't think I could get my corals to look that good! :)

[30mini]

This is the best one I have right now. You can see the little Aiptasia problem I have in there! That will be taken care of when Walter leaves... I'll get an army of peps in there to wipe them out!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/CHorwarth/DSCN0472.jpg

[slovan]

Those are pretty cool. Unfortunately I have something very similar to it already. The skirts aren't as green but the rest looks similar.

[Kurt03]

What lights do you have over your new tank right now sone?

[slovan]

Hi Kurt,
I run 2) 400W SE XM 20K's on a standard magnetic ballast on each end of the tank. The middle is a 250W DE Phoenix 14K on an electronic ballast. Surprisingly the Phoenix 14K looks a littlbe bit more blue than the XM bulbs.

[Fusch13]

Sone, tank looks nice...was that an appearance from Lonnie..lol Hows it going Chris?

[Fusch13]

ok, guys, look at this find!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120035724592&fromMakeTrack=true

[Fusch13]

Chris....i have my plumbing done, but the 1/2" return, i was thinking, of possibly a spraybar....think you could help me with that...i need to get a threaded 1/2" fitting and the some 1/2" pvc to make the spray bar, and i assume a 1/2" cap?

[Fusch13]

Yep, im back, and not one word about all new rock in tank and corals...it was more cleaning haha..

[30mini]

Yea, I can help you with a spray bar!! That's easy! Just need 4 different sized drill bits, the larger being near the end that has the cap, and the small being near the output side! We could make one the whole length of the side of your tank!

[30mini]

That's not really a deal on those zoo's ryan! That's way too much in shipping to have something that I already have shipped here! Just give me a little more time to grow these eagle eyes out! You will get some, don't worry! I'm getting ready to put a piece of rubble under the colony I have now, so, I'll put three under it and give them to the guys that I owe some to!

[Fusch13]

I wasnt buying them, i just liked the blues!

[Fusch13]

yeah, since the 1/2" threaded outlet for locline didnt fit in the 1/2" pvc, ive decided to do a spraybar along the left side of the tank, which i think will be better in long run....

[Fusch13]

did anyone show interest in Walter?

[30mini]

Yea, I have interest in him. If someone on Cincyreef's female peacock dies, then she will take walter, but I also have someone in New York that wants to buy him. I don't really want to ship him to this girl, b/c she is kind of a nasy BI*CH to me all the time on the mantis forums! I'm hoping I can sell him locally!!

[30mini]

How did the 1/2" lockline not fit into the 1/2" PVC??? I have done that before!

[Fusch13]

i have no idea, but the 1/2" locline fitting whic i got, does not screw into the threaded 1/2" pvc i bought, not like the 3/4" i got! Baffled me too, i was like you got to be kidding me...temporarly i have a clear hose inserted into pvc to flow into tank..talk about ghetto!

[Fusch13]

Haha, why in the world would you sell him to her, why would she think you would, if shes been nasty to you! lol

[30mini]

haha! Not sure as to why that locline didn't fit!

[Fusch13]

Yeah, either do i......lol

[30mini]

I don't know? I even gave her Andrew's name to get herself a peacock, and then she refuses to pay $100 for one b/c of shipping! I told her, You will be Guaranteed a peacock if you order it from him! She has ordered 3 mantis, all saying peacock, and NONE have been!! HAHA!!

[Fusch13]

Haha...sounds like a cheapass, not willing to pay for something that is worth it! I have a guy who has superman, orange crush and rainbow acan frags...good sized ones...who is selling me at some point of time when i can.....for 35 and 40 dollars....interested? 10 dollar ship...

[Fusch13]

got a good kick talking to the guy through email, hes from Pittsburg, and a steelers fan..lol

[30mini]

Yea!! Just I'll have to keep them in your tank until I get my tank abnormality cleared up!

[Fusch13]

yeah, any clues yet on that mystery, or is the problem walter most likely? turn die in 48 hours is pretty extreme!

[Fusch13]

oops too!

[Fusch13]

yeah Kurt needs to come get this rock too....ill have to find out when wife is working!

[30mini]

Nope, no clue as to what it is! I brought home a cup coral from work that wasn't doing so good, and it's doing great! I'm performing a small test today, where I don't turn the lights on at all, just have the ambient room light... heard it allows the zoas and palys to open up a lot more than they were!

[Fusch13]

hmm, weird, this isnt the same cap which when you first started working was looking good at the store is it?

[30mini]

Nope... a smaller one! It was there when you were there, just on the opposite side of the rock work

[Fusch13]

oh ok!

[Fusch13]

mag 18..50 dollars shipped? good deal?

[30mini]

yea, i'd say so!

[30mini]

Doesn't need an impeller or anything does it?

[Fusch13]

might have one locked up...interested in a mag 9.5...lol

[30mini]

Well, maybe... closed loop?

[30mini]

I have an idea in my head for a closed loop in my tank... would work well if I can get the ol'lady on board! I'd need some PVC, and some unions and such, but I could do it pretty easily!

[Fusch13]

maybe if your not dewayne might be!

[Fusch13]

yeah, i think it would be a nice closed loop in your tank!

[30mini]

Yea, get three SCWD's, one near the bottom, that goes out to two others, that then have four outputs in the tank. Talk about a cheap 4 way!

[Fusch13]

yeah true....but when married everything else is on a budget....

[30mini]

Yea, I know! I need to get my discus before I can get that done... so, hopefully soon I can start work on the CL and getting Walter out!

[Fusch13]

Yeah i hear you!

[Fusch13]

Yeah i hear you! And as i said when all gets settled, i have that other ORA green birdnest for you, i know its your fav...

[30mini]

Yea, I want it to get settled and try something cheap like a digi to make sure everything is okay!

[Fusch13]

yeah..i hear you!

[Fusch13]

i would say a mille or a monti, for sure...

[Kurt03]

Are you putting the 9.5 on your 20gal as the closed loop? That would be ALOT of flow in there lol, going barebottom? I should be able to come get the rock sometime this week ryan, classes started so ive been pretty busy. Is it submerged in water or just sitting out?
Chris i will have a monti digi for you soon. Let me know when you want to try it.

[Fusch13]

its in buckets...didnt have water to put it in...so youll have to cycle it for a week or so!

[30mini]

Yea, a 9.5 for a CL on my 20! If I set it up right, I shouldnt' have any Sandstorms at all!! I may just make a manifold and put it up on top around the rim! This could be better, and create 0 dead spots!

[Fusch13]

yeah true! Be a good flowing tank!

[Kurt03]

This might help if your not drilling
http://www.melevsreef.com/closedloop.html

[30mini]

Kurt, that was my original idea, just modified a little! Now, I am going to use that idea, but take out the SCWD, put a T on it, and run the manifold around the tank with larger outputs in the front and smaller ones near the back. Should create some good flow!

[Fusch13]

Sounds like we got to plan, now to get rid of walter....lol

[Fusch13]

Kurt might be tomorrow night or friday night again!

[Kurt03]

chris, if you need anyone to hold stuff for you while you redo your tank im sure me or ryan would have room if you need it.

[30mini]

I'm working on it! I may see if I can take him into my store, and put on the tank "Not for sale unless he has a dedicated tank!"

[30mini]

Thanks Kurt, I'll keep that in mind, but I probably won't need it, b/c I'll really only be taking out the PVC that is in there, and rescaping the rock

[Fusch13]

Yeah, i definently have room, and i think i nipped the reactor in the but, found a screw loose, i went through whole thing, i think when JAF came and put on new tank, i think they might of sabotased it, maybe to have to come back out for a maintance, more money dont know, but dang if i am not kicking myself for doig this earlier..lol But, not it dont slow down at all...keeps steady bubble count, 2 days strong, keeping fingers crossed!

[30mini]

Nice find Ryan! Where was the screw loose at?

[Fusch13]

on the bubble counter of all places....lol

[Kurt03]

start it slow, dont let it raise the alk to fast since its working correctly now. It can also lower the ph if the co2 isnt blown off the efflulent i think. What is your alk at now?

[Kurt03]

off to work i go, talk to you guys later tonight.

[30mini]

That's rediculous Ryan! It had to have been on the output side then!

[Fusch13]

yeah its running as it was before it went haywire...i was running 425 while on fritz, id like to get 450 or more

[Fusch13]

tell me about it, i was like you got to be kidding me....

[30mini]

Yea, I think your going to be fine! Now that it's going well, and you have that steady stream of calc, you should notice some better growth in your corals!

[Fusch13]

yeah, thats the hope, get your green birdnest bigger...and others too!

[30mini]

Yea! I can't wait for this to be done, and over with! I want to get my tank to be a reef, not just a mantis tank! I love the mantids, and I think they are awesome, but you can't keep one that is as big as walter in such a small reef!

[30mini]

I'll talk to my store tonight and see what they say about it! See if they will let me keep him there in the bottom right tank until I can get him sold!

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8223621#post8223621 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
yeah its running as it was before it went haywire...i was running 425 while on fritz, id like to get 450 or more

Hey Ryan,
Glad to hear that you found the problem. :) Your calcium demand must not be that high. I haven't seen mine above 400 for more than a year. I test calcium with a Salifert test kit so it should be fairly accurate. Oh well, as long as the corals grow and stay healthy, I'm okay with it.

[Fusch13]

Yeah same here, thanks Sone

[Fusch13]

now we just need to find the solution to Chris's dilemna

[30mini]

It will be solved soon enough! Just give me a little time to find someone to take Walter!

[Fusch13]

anyone but the hateful woman..lol

[30mini]

Yea! Anyone that has a tank large enough too!!

[Fusch13]

yeah, well bigger then a 20..since thats what you have..lol

[30mini]

yea... at least a 30!

[Fusch13]

you need to get yourself up to a 75 or 90!

[Fusch13]

tell your wife i said it was alright! lol

[30mini]

You tell her that! I'm not venturing there at the moment!!

[30mini]

I told her about the 125's and she said no b/c we don't have a house right now! She said, once we get a house, decide to finish the basement, I can build it into the wall and hide everything in a seperate room with a sink and such!

[doowain9999]

Hey Chris, doesn't look like I'm gonna be able to make it to Jacks tonight to get that substrate. I'll definitely be there Thursday though. With that crushed coral, do you think it's a bad idea to add the water before the substrate? Or is it like with sand, where you'll have a cloudy tank no matter what?

[30mini]

Yea, your gonna have a cloudy tank no matter what you do! Were you able to get your plumbing done okay? Did you do a water test on it?

[doowain9999]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15004927/?GT1=8506

The writing seems a little sarcastic in this story, don't ya think? LOL.

[30mini]

haha... that's kind of funny that a teddy bear killed over 2500 fish!

[doowain9999]

Finishing the plumbing tonight and adding water tomorrow. Have to wait 24 hours for the glue to dry right?

Haven't done a water test yet. How should I do a test run on the plumbing without filling up the tank? Just run the water through it and make sure there aren't any leaks at joints before attaching it to the tank? Sorry, first time. :)

[30mini]

Oh no, get everything fitted on the tank, and do a wet run with everything! If your just doing a test tonight, go ahead and add some freshwater to it and do your run! Make sure you don't have any leaky bulkheads and the such, and make adjustments as needed, then your done if you have no leaks!

[doowain9999]

Clearly I should do the test wet run outside? :)

[30mini]

yea, probably a good idea! Make sure you have your bulkheads tight... hand tight, then maybe 1/2 a turn with a wrench... then give it a shot! Have that wrench handy, and tighten the bulkheads slowly till they stop leaking if you have to! If you tighten them too much, they will split at the ends!

[doowain9999]

Gotcha. I'm also gonna have to saw off that 1/4" bit of plastic at the end of the threads on the bulkhead so that I can get the female PVC fitting on there. Did you have that on yours?

[30mini]

no, just slipped it over and threaded it on! where did you get the bulkhead from?

[doowain9999]

Aquatics and Exotics.

[30mini]

Yea, his may have a small lip on there. Just be carfull when sawing so you don't go too far! Good luck tonight! Let us know how it goes, and take some frickin pictures!! :)

[Kurt03]

This is interesting, i didnt know this about calcium reactors. This was posted my Randy in the chemistry forum to someone else.

You should tune the reactor to maintain alkalinity. It changes up and down much faster with over and under dosing. Calcium will follow along appropriately unless water changes or inappropriate media cause it to skew one way or another. If you start with a mix like Instant Ocean, you'll be around the numbers that you have now,and if you want higher calcium, you'll need something besides the reactor to boost it. If you tried to use the reactor to raise the calcium, the alkalinity will get too high.


So im guessing you just use it to keep things stable once you get them were you want them?

[doowain9999]

Hey guys, is it 100% necessary to use PVC primer before gluing?

[Kurt03]

you run out? i think it preps it for the glue so i wouldnt chance it. I have some if you want to borrow it.

[doowain9999]

I can buy some at HD. I forgot it. Didn't know if I could get away with not using it.

Thanks though!

[Kurt03]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8224189#post8224189 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slovan
Hey Ryan,
Glad to hear that you found the problem. :) Your calcium demand must not be that high. I haven't seen mine above 400 for more than a year. I test calcium with a Salifert test kit so it should be fairly accurate. Oh well, as long as the corals grow and stay healthy, I'm okay with it.

That above from randy might help you sone, maybe try adding the calcium part of a 2part to get it up then use the reactor to keep it there? What is your alk staying at?

[30mini]

Hey Dewain... how's the project coming along?? Hope everything came together okay!! We want some pictures and updates man!!

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8228072#post8228072 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kurt03
That above from randy might help you sone, maybe try adding the calcium part of a 2part to get it up then use the reactor to keep it there? What is your alk staying at?

I'ved dosed ESV two-part before and got tired of it. I now run a kalk reactor and a calcium reactor. I'll wait to see how things go after I have the 210 running for a couple of months.

[doowain9999]

I have everything glued as far as the standpipes go. I just now have to attach them to the bulkheads. I'm gonna let all this dry til tomorrow night and then I'll run the wet test and take some pictures! Doesn't look too shabby. To cover up the views of the plumbing from the sides, I may build an oak bookshelf on either side. Or some form of cabinet. I thought about building a canopy that maybe ran down the back, but with it being bowfront, I don't want the hassle of curving the front :)

[30mini]

Build the bookshelf, and the buld canopy into the bookshelf! Do a section that hangs over the tank and connects the two cases together!!!