any cinci guys out there?

[JohnL]

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[30mini]

Fair enough!

[slovan]

Nice split Chris! :) It's all because of you! I'm sure you're the most hated by RC! :D

[30mini]

Yep!! Probably am :rollface:

[slovan]

You had 389 posts out of the 998 in the last one. That's almost 39% of the thread! On a couple older ones, you were in the low 400's! Ha ha ha! That proves that you do talk a lot! :lol:

[Ball]

I'll throw in some useful info just to be on the up and up.

My heater died yesterday. It was a 250W ebo jager that I have had for about 3 years. I have read that they can leak and fail, but I never had a problem with mine. Well, it finially bit the dust. I took it out of the sump and there was a lot of water droplets on the inside. Im probably lucky the thing didnt fry or shock the tank. Needless to say, I wont be buying another ebo jager heater.

So now, I need to find a suitable replacement heater. Fully sumbersible.

[Ball]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9467089#post9467089 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slovan
You had 389 posts out of the 998 in the last one. That's almost 39% of the thread! On a couple older ones, you were in the low 400's! Ha ha ha! That proves that you do talk a lot! :lol:


What are you, some kind of stalker? Where do you even get that info Mr. Stalker.

[slovan]

Alright, something serious! What kind of heater should you buy? Hmm....I have a titanium Won Brothers heater that works pretty well. Something cheaper and works good are the Visitherm stealth heaters. I have one on the nano and it seems to be doing fine. It's plastic so there's nothing to break.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9467121#post9467121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ball
What are you, some kind of stalker? Where do you even get that info Mr. Stalker.

It's information available to all members on RC. Just click on the # of posts next to the thread. You can see who all posted in it and how many times. I'm surprised you didn't know, you're the click-happy guy! :D

[Kurt03]

wow looks like i missed out on a fun day :( i just got home maybe 30 min ago from finishing up a project. :(
about the heater, i got this one when i got my ranco and its been working fine. seems like its pretty heavy duty, almost like a small lead pipe.... ok maybe not that much haha. You have to have a controller to use it though, it doesnt have the control built into it.
http://diyreef.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=76&products_id=413

[slovan]

Good morning!

[Fusch13]

Morning..i personally have a visitherm stealth, and have been happy with it, i had a glass one go outon be in the past also!

[30mini]

I have a visitherm stealth in my 15 gal at work, and I have a nice heater in my 55 gal... can't remember what the name is! I'll have to look!

[30mini]

This is what I have in my 55... kept the water nice and warm for the discus that's for sure!!
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=11368&cm_mmc=LiveAquaria_DFS_Links-_-Fish_Supplies-_-LiveAquaria_Gen_Page-_-Heaters&ref=3969&subref=AA&N=2004+113767

[30mini]

Hey Sone... you and Jeff should plan a trip on the Third weekend in october to cincy!! There will be free room and board for ya if you can make it (a.k.a. my house :lol: ) and I'll even drive ya back and forth to the swap and if you wanna go up to Phishy and MS!!

[Fusch13]

So, i think im picking up all the stuff, corals and fish on saturday have to ask John if thats ok

[30mini]

Okay... I think I can come w/you that day! I'll ask the wife to be sure... but I think I'll be able to!

[Fusch13]

Thats cool, i asked him what he had going on around 11 20? figured id go and meet him after Kumon....told him i would be in the Blue Ash area, and where he'd like to meet!

[30mini]

Yea, I can meet you guys wherever and we can throw the acros in my work tank if we have to for a little bit.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9472093#post9472093 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Hey Sone... you and Jeff should plan a trip on the Third weekend in october to cincy!! There will be free room and board for ya if you can make it (a.k.a. my house :lol: ) and I'll even drive ya back and forth to the swap and if you wanna go up to Phishy and MS!!

Thanks for extending the offer Chris! I would like to come out to the swap to check things out. Not to mention all the cool fish stores you guys have near you! But as you already know, my tank is almost locked down so I'm not sure if I would want anything else to put in my tank. Well not unless they had some wrasses, watermelon chalice and other rare stuff.... :lol:

[30mini]

Hey... I offered you the invite... not Ryan! W-T-F man?

[slovan]

Not sure what you're talking about today Chris, are you alright man? ;)

Sorry dude, I haven't even had my first sip of coffee yet! I'm working on it if I can stay off the keyboard!

[30mini]

Ryan, you see this? It's 7-8 frags for like $375... that would be $125/person if Kurt gets in
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=9471805#post9471805

[30mini]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9472274#post9472274 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slovan
Not sure what you're talking about today Chris, are you alright man? ;)

Sorry dude, I haven't even had my first sip of coffee yet! I'm working on it if I can stay off the keyboard!

haha... it's all good! I've been here since 7 and had 2 cups of coffee already!

[slovan]

Those are good quality corals! If I was stocking a tank, I'd buy this frag pack.

[30mini]

Yea, I know!! I'm trying to get Ryan and kurt to bite so that we can at least start to stock my big tank!! (even though it's not ready yet, but who's counting anyways?)

[Ball]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9472093#post9472093 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Hey Sone... you and Jeff should plan a trip on the Third weekend in october to cincy!! There will be free room and board for ya if you can make it (a.k.a. my house :lol: ) and I'll even drive ya back and forth to the swap and if you wanna go up to Phishy and MS!!

To bad you were not just a little closer to Cedar Point. I know you have Kings Island right there also, but its about time I made another visit to the Point.

[slovan]

I'm counting! You're supposed to beat Kurt! :D If you guys get it, who gets the lemonade? It's the most "desirable" one of the bunch.

[30mini]

Well, the lemonade will have to go to whomever gets the pack together and has it shipped to them... and everyone will get a frag when it comes time to frag it of course!

Jeff, we are only 3hrs from the point! Make it a week, and go up there first, then hit up KI and the Beach, then the swap!!

[slovan]

I also have a buddy and his wife who moved out to C-bus about 3-4 months ago. I'll have to see if I can get something planned to go out that way. Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone. Hmm.....

[30mini]

There ya go!! The CORA Fragswa is the 14th, which is the saturday before ours! You can kill 3 birds w/one stone!!

[slovan]

Yeah....you might have to hold onto some corals for me that week! :lol: J/K. If anything, it'd be a trip to come out to see my buddy and to come out and see you guys. Not really getting anything unless something special pops up.

[30mini]

Yea, that would be a good trip for sure!!

[Fusch13]

Yeah the tank lock down..haha

[30mini]

Yea... he will probably see something soon and it'll be in there!!
HEY, I forgot, we have an inside track now to Sone's tank!! Jeff, tell us what all he has! Go over and take some pictures while he's not home and put them up on here :lol:

[slovan]

Yes Ryan! Believe it or not, I have not bought anything for my tank in the past two days! I almost did on Liveaquaria. I need to get off their mailing list because I see it come through my email and I always check. There's a couple pieces that I wouldn't mind having although I don't need them!

[Fusch13]

Haha....while your over there get three polyps of the orange envy, one for me, once for Chris, and one for you...haha

[slovan]

Chris, Jeff knows what I have in my tank. Well, most of them anyway. He has some nice stuff in his tank as well, he just doesn't post them on here but does on his website.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9472558#post9472558 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
Haha....while your over there get three polyps of the orange envy, one for me, once for Chris, and one for you...haha

That would still leave me with a couple. :D

[Fusch13]

yeah there is a nice purple acro im on a mailing list from them!

[Fusch13]

i know which means you wouldnt miss them..haha

[30mini]

Yea, and we could then in turn sell them over here for the $300/polyp asking price :lol:

[Fusch13]

once they started growing..yep

[Fusch13]

that would be my money tree!

[30mini]

Yea, tell that to your wife!

[Fusch13]

well, i cant till i get that frag..haha

[slovan]

They'll grow out, eventually! Once they do, I'll offer them to you guys first. I'll be nice and not charge you $300/polyp! :lol:

[30mini]

WOO HOO!! That is as long as they are still selling for that price and not overstocked in the market!

[Fusch13]

haha......yeah, i dont see them often though

[Fusch13]

shoot ppe are still going for 80-90 bucks a polyp

[30mini]

Yea, and so are RPE's... and so are the LOTR's that I have... they will eventually come down in price once they are traded/sold enough!

[slovan]

No they're not, you can find them anywhere from $35-$50. I think $35 is the going rate these days. They're becoming more popular through propagation. Awhile back, I bought 3 polyps but only 1 survived. Now the one is big and healthy and there's a new baby one that sprouted last week so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can grow them out.

[30mini]

They are somewhat of a lower light paly... if you have a nice shaded area to put them in, I'd throw them under there for a while and see how they do! If they start to reach for the light, pull them out further till they stop reaching!

[Fusch13]

lotr'S?

[slovan]

No, PPE's. At least that's what I was referring to.

[30mini]

Lord of the Rings Paly's!

[30mini]

Remember these Ryan? I now have almost twice that many polyps!!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/CHorwarth/MVC-051S.jpg

[Fusch13]

i saw on here them selling for 80 a piece.....ove the weekend..and also fellows, my bulbs have arrived!

[30mini]

Good! Now you can get your stuff growing better!! Give them some more PAR and they will start to sprout like crazy!!

[slovan]

Don't shock them if they were previously under the Hamilton 14K's with glass shielding! :D

[Fusch13]

Yeah i wont Sone, im going to start them on 5 hours for a week, then bump them up 2 more hours....plus itll help on algae situation...Yeah i do remember them Chris, i wont a frag when you get them ready and also those grey ones since mine floated away...well, there is a lot you have id want a frag of..haha

[30mini]

They will now be under XM 10K's w/glass shielding! They used to be under 14K's w/glass AND plastic shielding!

[30mini]

Yea, I'm getting ready to frag the eagle eyes and silver centers again! So, once I do, I'll get you a frag of the silver centers! What else you want? I know you want the orange digi b/c yours shattered, but what else?

[Fusch13]

Hey any of your guys know about the Tunze bioreactors?

[Fusch13]

Well, there is any of the stuff you got from the other iowa boy....the purple digi, and that pink stag i think it was....you have a lot id like....no bn though..lol

[30mini]

You mean the tan stag w/green polyps?? Here's a recent FTS, point out what all you would want!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/CHorwarth/DSCN0784.jpg

[Fusch13]

well, the orange digi, the tricolor, what was the stuff you got from Allen?

[30mini]

The yellow acro w/purple tips, the limited A. Plana, and the unknown white acro that is now brownish/gold

[Fusch13]

all three of those...haha

[30mini]

Okay... what else?

[Fusch13]

cant tell in there what else there is

[slovan]

Are you shopping Chris' tank now? :D

[30mini]

Yea, he sure is! No biggie... he knows he's first in line to my stuff!

[Fusch13]

yes i am, since yours isnt open for shopping Sone..lol

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9472884#post9472884 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
Hey any of your guys know about the Tunze bioreactors?

No I haven't. But this does provide a little more insight to it.

http://www.tunze.com/149.html?&L=1&C=AU&user_tunzeprod_pi1[predid]=-infoxunter010

[Fusch13]

Yeah i read that but is it a self contained device, not needing anything else....water is pulled into unit and then exits unit too?

[slovan]

That's the way I understood it. I don't think there's a pump or anything. It also looks like they're for planted aquariums instead of reefs. Changing hobbies on us?

[Fusch13]

there are three, one is for planted the other two, say it can be used on fresh or saltwater...and i read article of a guy using two of these on his 92 gallon reef, so thought id ask if anyone knew about them

[30mini]

They say that they can be used with mangroves... so, they can be used w/salt water apps. but I think they are mainly geared towards the planted tank!

[Ball]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9473015#post9473015 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
yes i am, since yours isnt open for shopping Sone..lol

Heck, I will open my tank up for shopping if you are craving to buy some corals.

[30mini]

What ya got Jeff???

[slovan]

His 75 is jammed full of stuff. He needs to get his 125 going to make some space for his corals to grow out.

[30mini]

Well, if he would list what he has to sell, we can help him in the financial dept. :rollface:

[Fusch13]

well, what do you have, Chris and i are always in the mood to shop!

[slovan]

I know, I know. I have to make a list but most of what I can frag, you guys already have. As you can see from my pictures, I still have a lot of small frags that I have to grow out first.

[Fusch13]

better pm that list, because if not youll get pms out the whahoo and then there will be a waiting list..lol

[Fusch13]

ok, Chris...lay your eyes on this one!

http://www.reefermadness.us/RMD03131998.htm

[Ball]

I could put together a better detailed list, but here are some things off the top of my head.

ORA Green Birdsnest
Tubs Green w/purple polyps Birdsnest
Orange cap
Green cap w/purple rim
Becker Tort
Purple Nana
Frogspawn
Blue millie
Green Humilus
ORA purple pillow
ORA tort
Misc. 3-4 inch colonies (yellow miilie, green acro, blue stag)
Misc zoos
Green Star Polyps
Greenish/blue candy cane
Blue slimer (mostly brown)
ORA germen blue polyp monti

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9473316#post9473316 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
better pm that list, because if not youll get pms out the whahoo and then there will be a waiting list..lol

I do have a waiting list on some corals. Namingly the bonsai. I can't grow them quick enough! :D

It doesn't matter, you guys would get first pick anyway.

[30mini]

Tubs Green w/purple polyps Birdsnest
ORA purple pillow
ORA tort
Purple Nana

How much for all those???

[Fusch13]

ahhh purple pillow, the elusive coral which didnt make it last time....

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9473330#post9473330 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
ok, Chris...lay your eyes on this one!

http://www.reefermadness.us/RMD03131998.htm

Can I look, too? Ha! That's a beautiful coral. I would buy only if it's been in a reef tank for at least 6 months. Wild colonies are such a gamble. I bought a few once and they browned out. When the color returned, it was no where near the picture. Nice and healthy but I've read you can get them to hold the color once in awhile.

[slovan]

How about some new shots of the tank and corals?

[Ball]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9473361#post9473361 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Tubs Green w/purple polyps Birdsnest
ORA purple pillow
ORA tort
Purple Nana

How much for all those???

Im not sure off the top of my head. I havent taken the time to set a price on the things Im selling yet. I will have to sit down and figure it out.

[30mini]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9473402#post9473402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slovan
How about some new shots of the tank and corals?
Who you talkin to Sone?? Ryan?

[30mini]

Jeff, take your time! I am in no hurry to get them b/c I still need to get my big tank set up too :lol:

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9473425#post9473425 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Who you talkin to Sone?? Ryan?

I was talking to Jeff. Don't you guys want to see what the corals look like?

[30mini]

Yea!! I do!! He has none on his website!

[slovan]

If you go in and select the pages on his reef page, you can see some pictures through documentation. Oh well, he'll just have to take new ones for you guys! :D

[30mini]

Yes please :D

[Fusch13]

Yeah that helps a little..lol

[slovan]

You guys are lucky because he won't sell me his corals!

[30mini]

Your tank is on lockdown!!

[Ball]

Im in the process of taking pics of everything Im selling. Its just taking a little longer to organize everything.

[Fusch13]

haha, yeah lockdown man, whens that mystery wrasse coming in? haha

[30mini]

today :lol:

[Ball]

Sones tank on lockdown? Yeah right. He will be secretly adding stuff in. He is sneaky.

[30mini]

Yea, those days he takes off and works from home I'm sure he is "SICK"... more like adding stuff to the tank so noone knows!

[Fusch13]

haha....

[Fusch13]

Chris you just nee to move to florida...check this out!

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1071458

[30mini]

I think that's a 6' tank... I want to stay in the 4' range!

[Fusch13]

ah, paticulars...

[30mini]

yea, particulars!! I would need another 250W halide if I were to get a 6' tank! I want a 4' tank so that I can use the (2) 250W halides I have and the (1) 175W for the frag tank!

[Fusch13]

ahh.....youll want more light after you get it up..lol

[30mini]

No, I have all the lighting that I need! (2) 250W 10K XM's on a PFO Ballast, and I will have (4) 48" T5HO bulbs for actinics!

[Fusch13]

but you cant swim in a 4 ft tank..lol

[30mini]

Your kids could!

[Fusch13]

yeah, ill let them know..lol You guys can swim in Chris's tank.....So fin went to ped today and he found a murmur, ped is going to wait 4 weeks to see if it corrects itself before acting, so cant be too serious, but wife is all depressed...

[30mini]

I hope everything turns out okay! I can understand her being depressed! That will be heart breaking if finn needs surgery and so does Aiden! Talk about hard times!

[Fusch13]

yeah no crap...

[Kurt03]

:( good luck ryan!

This thread is hard to keep up with during exam week jeesh.

[Fusch13]

I know, adding another person, we put on some threads now..lol

[30mini]

Man, is it time to go home yet?

[Fusch13]

I wish

[Fusch13]

Ok, chris saw the flyer on the frag swap, your holding out, whats the raffle that will blow my mind out?

[30mini]

I'm not holding out anything! We don't really know exactly what all will be coming in yet for the raffle!

[Fusch13]

that isnt blowing my mind yet..lol

[slovan]

Boy, I missed out being gone a couple hours to go home and wait on FedEx. Ha ha ha! You guys are funny!

Man Ryan, it seems like it's always something. Keep you head up, things will get better, they always do.

[Kurt03]

fedex huh? and what did you get huhhhh????

[Fusch13]

Yeah, no crap, Fed ex, so that mystery wrasse came huh?

[slovan]

I didn't get anything Kurt, I was just giving the other guys crap because they always think I'm up to something. :D

I just went in for my scheduled checkup and got my teeth cleaned. Almost 32 years and still, no cavities! :thumbsup:

[Fusch13]

good deal...no cavities here, but had to have lots of fillings for where i brush my teeth to hard.....32....another one as old as i

[30mini]

haha... switch your years around and you have my age...23!

[slovan]

I've never had a filling in my life....couldn't even tell you how it's done or if it hurts or not. Fill me in. :D

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9474559#post9474559 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
haha... switch your years around and you have my age...23!

You're just a young buck! Enjoy it! :dance:

[Kurt03]

couple months and im 23 :)

[30mini]

Have been and will be!!

[Fusch13]

Fillings dont hurt.....and Chris all the more reason t have a 600 gallon reef, think of how nice it will be in 9 years..haha

[30mini]

Hell, couple months and I'm 24 and I'll be married for a year!

[slovan]

Kids.....I hope your hairline is receding! :lol:

[Fusch13]

Haha......yeah i waited till i was at least 25 to marry, 26 for kid

[Kurt03]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9474602#post9474602 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Hell, couple months and I'm 24 and I'll be married for a year!

Thats your own fault :lol:

j/k of course :D

[30mini]

No kids till I'm at least 25! Already own a house, so I'm on the right track! May be getting a promotion too very soon!!!

[slovan]

You do realize the potential for work is there when you take a promotion right? :lol:

[Fusch13]

good deal

[Kurt03]

sweet congrats and good luck on the extra cash for the tan... i mean promotion :D

[30mini]

yea, I know the potential to do work is there... I'm looking forward to it!! I get bored pretty easily!

[Fusch13]

Morning All!

[slovan]

Good morning!

[Fusch13]

See we've changed to ppe's now.....the orange envies are more impressive....

[30mini]

Morning! That's a pretty good picture of the PPE's you have!

[Fusch13]

Morning Chris, we are set for saturday at 11 20...we are going to his office on reading!

[30mini]

Okay, I'll try to get there... I have a sick wife w/a 102 degree fever right now, and a cousin w/a birthday party on Saturday at 1, so I'll def. try! If I can't, I'll get you the money when I can!

[Fusch13]

ok, thats fine, man your wife gets sick a lot man...thats second time in two months? or was it longer...i forget

[30mini]

Yea, she does get sick a lot... she won't take any medicine when she feels bad, and it just gets worse, and worse and worse before she knows it!

[slovan]

It's that time of the year with erratic temperature changes so I can see how she can get sick. Just like here, Tuesday was over 75 degrees and this morning is 32 degrees. Plus if she teaches, she comes in contact with a lot of different kids that could have something.

You guys are hilarious! I'm going to continue changing my avatar until I can find something all of you will like!

[30mini]

Happy 2000th post sone :thumbsup:

[slovan]

Hey, I saw that you just past the 8,000th post! :celeb2:

[Fusch13]

8000 thats crazy..haha

[30mini]

Yea, 8,000 is quite a lot! But, I do post over in the DIY forums, and sometimes the Mantis forums, and sometimes the Newby section to help them out a little!

[Fusch13]

yeah thats a 1000 posts, the other 7000 in here..haha

[30mini]

Yea, probably right!

[slovan]

When did this thread start anyway? I know I didn't join in until late last year.

[30mini]

It started before I got married!

[30mini]

Here ya go!
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=841702

[Fusch13]

yeah...it did

[Fusch13]

got bulbs on last night and fired them up, works great!

[30mini]

How does it look??? You like it or no?

[Fusch13]

well, only saw it or a few minutes at 12 30 am, i was tired, but liked it......just need that damn algae gone which after my new addition on saturday it should....plus the rowa, and ro/di, and prodibio.......and the large sea hare making its way into tank on saturday...whew hoo

[Fusch13]

after this livestock purchase...i plan to get test kits, and then the lighthouse, when its free'd up

[30mini]

Yea, test kits for sure!! We can make a trip to the C-bus and go to that coral farm and you can get your test kits there! They are cheaper than Phishy!

[Fusch13]

thats cool

[Fusch13]

also, next week, you wanna get the stuf for the kalkenstien?

[slovan]

Just something interesting to look at. Through 16 threads(not including current), here's where we're at!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/slovan1/untitled.jpg

[30mini]

GRAPHS!!! Damn... you really are a marketing guy :thumbsup:

Ryan, yea, we can get the kalkenstein stuff whenever! I wanna get one built ASAP!

[slovan]

It's just interesting when you look at it. 7K of your 8k are in this thread. Ryan has less than 200 posts outside of this thread. I have about 600 if it wasn't for this thread. :lol:

[Fusch13]

Yeah same here, to balance out my alk.....and man Kurt and Sone are slackers..lol

[Fusch13]

yeah and those less then 200 posts are mostly to try and get deals...haha

[30mini]

Yea, I would only have about 1000 posts if it wasn't for this thread!

[slovan]

So you're having alkalinity problems, Ryan? I thought it was Chris that was low in alkalinity?

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9481745#post9481745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
yeah and those less then 200 posts are mostly to try and get deals...haha

Nothing wrong with trying to save some money! :D That's why I refer to you guys as the king of deals.

[30mini]

Checked my alk last night, and it's at 8.6 now... but my calc. is at 340! I did the reef calculator thing and it says to add 5 fl. oz of the stuff that I use to get it where it should be, and nothing of the alk.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9481524#post9481524 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
after this livestock purchase...i plan to get test kits, and then the lighthouse, when its free'd up

Hey Ryan, I am going to get a hold of the vendor for the group buy to see if they have been ordered yet. Last I knew, he had 5 for sure and another person was ready to order. I think he said he was going to order it at 5 anyway so we'll see. Once I get it, it'll probably be another week before I get everything changed out. I want to make sure the basics such as heater and lights working on the new program before I give you the LH.

[slovan]

Yeah, your calcium is way out of balance to your alkalinity. Just add a little bit more everyday and it'll get there.

[slovan]

Or you could add some kind of calcium booster aside from using your two-part. I can't remember what kind Jeff uses but maybe he can chime in, his parameters are usually in check using whatever it is.

[30mini]

yea, I'm gonna add like 1/4 of it everyday, and keep testing and just see what it comes out to be!

[Fusch13]

yeah thats cool

[30mini]

LUNCH TIME!! YAY!!!!

[slovan]

Subway still open?

[30mini]

what? you talkin about the sub place or the actual subway that you ride?

[Fusch13]

subway is always open man!

[Kurt03]

when i need to adjust my alk or calc i use the calculator to find out how much i need to add, then add that amount to a 2 liter. Then fill the 2 liter the rest of the way up with rodi. Then i just use a air line to drip it slowly in or pour a little in every now and then. The more that is being added the more time in between additions, or a slower drip.
If your adding alk and calc and your numbers arent moving check your magnesium.


"Or you could add some kind of calcium booster aside from using your two-part."
Im guessing he uses something like dow flake? Right now im using prestone driveway heat ice melter :) its the same thing as dow flake and is pure calcium chloride. I think it was like 8$ for 5lbs of it? And this will make a TON of homemade 2part.

[30mini]

Kurt, you got a mag. test? I don't have one yet... and they werent selling them when I was at RSCF

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9482832#post9482832 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
what? you talkin about the sub place or the actual subway that you ride?

It was just a bad joke. It was really quiet in here this a.m. and reminded me of a Subway commercial. It was something along the lines of it being late at night and dark outside. All you could hear was crickets but Subway was still open! :D

[Kurt03]

yea i have a mag test kit. You can bring some water by sometime to test if you want.

[30mini]

Yea, you were WAY off base there man...

[30mini]

You got class/exams tonight Kurt?

[Kurt03]

nope, no exams tonight. Anytime today is good. Tomorrow i have a exam 1:30-3:30 and then some paper work the fill out at my job then i will be home. but anytime today should be ok. just let me know.

[30mini]

Okay... I'll go home and see what the wife needs and then I'll eat something and maybe head over. Probably be around 6:30 or so... but I'll call before hand!

[Kurt03]

sounds good, just give me a call.

[Kurt03]

guess i scared everyone off :(

[slovan]

Nope, just busy at meetings and such. What's going on man? Tank doing well? How's the CS skimmer holding up with the meshmod? Is it still overflowing on you?

[Kurt03]

i lowered the water level and it seems ok now. Hasnt overflowed and pulled more, darker skim then it did before. I just cleaned the cup last night and there was more skim in there and it was darker then before. I should have taken pics of a couple weeks of skim before modded and after. opps :(

Also i dont think its slowing down on its skimming as the riser gets coated. That was the main problem before. And i mean really, who wants to clean there skimmer every 3-4 days. I do clean usually once a week though.

tanks are doing pretty good. I need to make some filler rock for the 150 i think. I bought around 100lbs of live rock and put it in there. Im going to take all the smaller pieces and put them in the sump. Then put the filler rock that i make on the bottom and the better live rock on the top. Thats the plan anyways. I have a couple large rocks that i made but dont know how much i like them. Been so busy with school the past month or so havent gotten much done. Halides are all mounted in reflectors now though. after i start work im buying bulbs and a 250 ballast to replace the one 175.

[slovan]

Did you say you have 400W on the outside?

[Kurt03]

400 in the middle. 250 and a 175 on either side. (i got the 250 and 175 with the tank) so im going to replace the 175 with a 250.

[slovan]

Oh wow, so you have quite a variety! :D It's better to be consistent. I have 400watters on the outside and a 250 in the middle. You can see the difference in it. You might be better off to go with all 250w for a seamless transition across your tank.

[Kurt03]

yea, for some reason the guy i bought the tank from had a 250 and a 175 lol. Thats not all, on the left he had a blueline or something 14k bulb that is really blue and on the 175 on the right he had a 55k ebay bulb. it looked interesting :)

He gave me an extra bulb or 2 and one was a 175 ushio 10k :D so ive been running that on the right and the super blue blueline on the left, with the 400w coralvue 10k in the middle :lol: . When i bought the 400w i got 2 of those 10k bulbs, and a xm20k. Of course somehow the xm bulb got broken :(

ive been thinking about 250watters on the outside and the 400 in the middle, or all 3 250's.
250s will give me good growth wont it? i dont know much about halides yet, but im planning on going with xm 20ks and no actinics yet.

[slovan]

How tall is your 150? 24"? If so, I think you would be okay with a different bulb aside from the XM 20K. The 400W SE does really well but the 250w is more dim and blue. Do you plan on having any actinics? I've heard good things about the Coralvue Reeflux 10K & 12K in the 250W SE flavor. Might want to read into it a little more. Lots of choices out there! :)

[Kurt03]

i want actinics eventually but wont have them right away. I would like to get away without them for a while, but will prob get them eventually. Yup, i have a ton to of reading to do i guess :)

[Kurt03]

yea its around 25" tall i think

[slovan]

I haven't seen any results as far as testing goes on the Reeflux 10K or 12K in the 250W SE but I'm assuming they're pretty decent. Seems to be pretty popular. If I was to gamble, I would go with the Reeflux 12K if you're not going to use any actinic supplementation for awhile.

I think Jeff is going with the 10K when he gets his tank going but he's going to supplement with T5's. Maybe he's read more than I have so he'll have to chime in and let us know what he has read so far.

[Fusch13]

Morning all!

[slovan]

Good morning!

[Fusch13]

Any new additions? lol I have a significant one this weekend, which will be last till tank gets used to bioload...

[slovan]

Nope. I'm sticking to my guns and not getting anything else!

So what are you saying Ryan? Your tank going into lockdown? :lol:

[Fusch13]

No, this is mostly a fish add...4 queen anthias, 1 large sea slug, 1 butterfly which im going to try with aptasia (not paying for), 5 peppermint shrimp. 1 tricolor acro....all for 110..hows that for a deal...haha

[Fusch13]

the door hasnt even been installed on the coral adds yet..lol

[30mini]

Morning! Had a fun night last night... let me tell ya!

[30mini]

Had to take the wife to the hospital last night, as her fever didn't recede till around 9 last night, and she was severly dehydrated. Got her an IV w/fluids to get her back rehydrated again, and her fever dropped to 99.8, and they sent us home around 9. Fun fun night, let me tell ya!

[slovan]

That is a good deal Ryan! I think I got you beat on a deal I got yesterday though......free deals are the best deals! :D

Chris, doesn't sound like you had a very good night. Hope everything is alright. How was she feeling this morning?

[30mini]

I don't know how she was feeling this morning... she was asleep when I left! I did hear her get up last night and get some medicine... so she must not have been feeling that good last night.

[Ball]

Sanjay just released the reeflux 12K results. The bulbs suck. I expected that. Looks like Im sticking with the 10k's. The 10K's are supposed to have a hint of blue anyway, so no need to worry about any "yellow" problems.


250W 12K par on icecap = 51.1
250W 10K par on icecap = 86

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/3/review#h1 (http://)

[30mini]

Jeff, I bet if you got a PFO ballast, your bulbs would burn better!! I'm going to be running XM 10K's on an M80 ballast, and I'll be getting 186 PAR!

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490528#post9490528 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ball
Sanjay just released the reeflux 12K results. The bulbs suck. I expected that. Looks like Im sticking with the 10k's. The 10K's are supposed to have a hint of blue anyway, so no need to worry about any "yellow" problems.


250W 12K par on icecap = 51.1
250W 10K par on icecap = 86

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/3/review#h1 (http://)

Wow, the results are really disappointing. The Hamilton 14K's will outperform the RF12K on the same ballast. IME, I thought they were a little on the dim side when I had the Hammies running. The RF10K isn't much better. I think I would look elsewhere for bulbs.

[Fusch13]

Ouch 2 hour meeting....what deal is that Sone?

[30mini]

I would look elsewhere for ballasts! Electronic ballasts SUCK!!! Get a magnetic or a PFO and you'll be fine!

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490766#post9490766 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
Ouch 2 hour meeting....what deal is that Sone?

Got a free reef ceramic wall for my nano! The wall normally retails for $160 new plus shipping, it weighs a lot! Anyway I got it for free. :D It's already cured and ready to go. So whatcha think?

[30mini]

Nice! What sponsor did you get that from :lol:

[Fusch13]

Nice....pays to be MR. Rowa

[slovan]

Well it is nice to have some influential power..... :lol:

[30mini]

You bullied one of your employees didnt you! Bad Sone (smacks nose w/news paper)

[Fusch13]

Chris, did you see there was another lighthouse controller up for sale for 200 shipped, baggerhog i think picked it up

[30mini]

Yea, I saw that... and Baggerhog has a lot of hated people over on Cincyreef... he is banned from the site and all activities!

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490768#post9490768 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
I would look elsewhere for ballasts! Electronic ballasts SUCK!!! Get a magnetic or a PFO and you'll be fine!

One thing they don't suck is energy compared to the other types of ballasts. I think your bulbs would last longer as well since you're really not overdriving the bulb like you would on an HQI ballast. For example, which bulb do you think would last longer? An XM 10K SE bulb on a PFO HQI ballast using 374W or an XM 10K SE bulb on an Ice Cap e-ballast using 256W?

Granted that the PFO puts out a ton of par compared to the e-ballast but I think it comes down to what you're after. For me, I look at operating cost. It's going to cost me more to run the HQI setup due to increased energy consumption and the potential for a shorter bulb life.

The par is 182 on the PFO compared to 115 on the Ice Cap. How much par does the corals need to grow optimally? Is 115 enough? Will a par of 182 be too much and some of it will go unused? Who knows...I wish someone did.

I'm just throwing a different perspective out there aside from flat out performance. Just something to consider. After all, lighting is only part of the puzzle. I bet good skimming and waterflow can make up for some shortfall that you may have in lighting. Should I run and take cover now? :D

[30mini]

No need to take cover...
First off, running an XM 10K on a PFO ballast could potentially allow the bulb to last longer. Why? Well, your using the starter that comes with the ballast to start HQI bulbs, which sends a better pulse to the light and will lengthen the bulbs life b/c of not using the internal starter that is in the SE bulbs. Yes, you are running less wattage w/electronics, but would you want to replace your bubls once a year, or once every year and a half? They would pay for themselves after you only buy one replacement in 18 months.

I agree that a good skimmer and water flow will contribute to growth in a coral, but w/o the lighting, the growth will be slower than that of higher lighting. Granted, if you ran your icecap driven bulb for 12-14 hrs. a day, and you ran the PFO driven bulb for 8-10 hrs a day, I bet you would see the same kind of growth from the coral in both tanks b/c of PAR ratings given off from the bulb throughout the day.

I'll get off my soap box now

[Kurt03]

i agree with you sone :) do they really overdrive them that much? thats a ton over.

chris, whys Baggerhog hated so much?

--edit--

ok i dont agree with anyone :D i realised how much i dont know about halides :lol:

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490964#post9490964 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fusch13
Chris, did you see there was another lighthouse controller up for sale for 200 shipped, baggerhog i think picked it up

I saw that as well. He never mentioned which version of the controller he has. Plus I didn't see anything about it coming with probes. Still, $200 is a good deal if it's the newest AQS-4 version.

[30mini]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9491039#post9491039 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kurt03
chris, whys Baggerhog hated so much?
Kurt, I'm not sure as to the exact reasons, but he is basically a shiite starter and will not allow anyone to give any statement about the club w/o him getting the "last word" and his is "always right" but there is probably other underlying reasons that I don't know about.

[Fusch13]

Yeah, heard the same......

[Ball]

Going by the highest numbers and people opions wont get anyone anywhere. People that have success can give their stats, but that doesnt always mean thats the way to go. Even majority opinons or one expert writing a paper dont mean thats the right way to go. I think people get caught up on par readings, skimmer perfomance, flow methods, etc. and go down a path with blinders on.

I think if a person has those blinders on and follow working methods, their tank can run well and have good results. However, that doesnt mean that another method is wrong or less effective.

Something could come along one day that changes the hobby and flips it around 180. What if that something focused on something else besides high par or something else besides tons of bubbles in a acrylic tube to clean water? It would probably be shot down instantly and thats unfortunate.

[slovan]

Same with the Ice Cap ballast. I'm running the 250W e-ballast to drive my Phoenix 14K DE bulb. Here's what Ice Cap says about the ballast. Of course, it could be all marketing.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/slovan1/untitled-2.jpg

[30mini]

Sone, that is all marketing. You can run any ballast up to 30 feet away from the bulb, you just need larger wiring going from the bulb to the ballast. The larger the wiring, the further a current can go b/c of less resistance.
When you turn your bulbs on, do you hear them firing? If you do, that's the internal starter on the bulb itself. If not, then the ice-caps are good in firing the bulbs. Firing bulbs is where most of the life is lost

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9491130#post9491130 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ball
Going by the highest numbers and people opions wont get anyone anywhere. People that have success can give their stats, but that doesnt always mean thats the way to go. Even majority opinons or one expert writing a paper dont mean thats the right way to go. I think people get caught up on par readings, skimmer perfomance, flow methods, etc. and go down a path with blinders on.

I think if a person has those blinders on and follow working methods, their tank can run well and have good results. However, that doesnt mean that another method is wrong or less effective.

Something could come along one day that changes the hobby and flips it around 180. What if that something focused on something else besides high par or something else besides tons of bubbles in a acrylic tube to clean water? It would probably be shot down instantly and thats unfortunate.

I agree. Everyone's tank is unique and has different needs. Since I'm not an inventor, DIY'er or know much beyond what I've read, I have to pick a path to do down with blinders on. I would love to break down the paradigms in this hobby and think outside the box to come up with something great but that's not what I'm good at. Unfortunately I'm only a consumer in this hobby.

[slovan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9491164#post9491164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 30mini
Sone, that is all marketing. You can run any ballast up to 30 feet away from the bulb, you just need larger wiring going from the bulb to the ballast. The larger the wiring, the further a current can go b/c of less resistance.
When you turn your bulbs on, do you hear them firing? If you do, that's the internal starter on the bulb itself. If not, then the ice-caps are good in firing the bulbs. Firing bulbs is where most of the life is lost

Cool, I never knew that the HQI ballasts were advanatgeous in that respect.

[Kurt03]

can eballasts not have starters built into them?

[30mini]

Kurt, they may be able to, but would then need a higher constant voltage going through them, which would then in turn make them just like an HQI! E-ballasts run on the standard electricty running through being converted, and that's why they start the way that they do. Magnetics use a capacitor to store voltage for starts, and the HQI's use a cap and another ignitor that sends higher voltages to the bulb allowing it to use that voltage to get it fired, instead of using the internal starter.

[30mini]

Jeff, I agree with you on all points. But until that thing that flips the hobby around... I'm going to stick w/what I know.

[Fusch13]

I agree also, i know a minute amount which gets me by, always more to learn, but need to do research to see what works best on my tank....but i am an expert on sea monkeys...haha

[slovan]

You are a seamonkey! :lol:

[Fusch13]

it was only a matter of time before Sone started name calling...haha